WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from March 20, 2023

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtontranglers!
	🤖 6:01pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Post Marathon Techtonic! We appreciate how its technology helps WFMU connect to its audiences, distribute its streams, and provides a safe, non surveilled social experience.
	6:01pm Ciggy: Missed you last night at the Symphonica
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyon particles! We are the new robot overlords!
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi Capitechtonicans!
	6:02pm Daybreak is Curious...: Hello
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: And Cory is back... showing how crowdsourced publishing, in certain high profile situation, can be a success!
	🤖 6:02pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:01 As Dave the Spazz said last night, they "don't WANT to know anything about" us!
	6:02pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:02pm HyperDose: It was only a matter of time before the cybermen infiltrated FMU HQ
	🤖 6:03pm Handy Haversack: ↳ David in London @6:02 Evening, David!
	6:03pm Roger: I am SO looking forward to this show today, Cory always has something interesting to say.
	🤖 6:04pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Roger @6:03 Roger the Rockstar!
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: No Amazon robots or wage-slave workers package your WFMU swag.
	6:05pm Roger: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:04 I'm trying to forget
	🤖 6:05pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Roger @6:05 You were great!
	6:05pm Andrea C from the app: No way! Hello Mark! Hello Cory!!!
	6:06pm melinda: hi folks
	🤖 6:06pm herb.nyc: You're welcome, mark, but THANK YOU and all the wfmu'ers and volunteers and unseen support. Mark was the best of the singers in the hoof synf last night. I could watch him all night.
	6:07pm Daybreak is Curious...: Hey we are in the chat!
	6:07pm Ciggy: A crane collapsed at a Amazon warehouse under construction in Hawthorne, NY. A man had a partial leg amputation from the accident
	6:08pm Andrea C from the app: Ohps. I thought the interview was live. This is great nonetheless.
	6:08pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Corey, I LOVE YOUR WORK. Always have. And "Walkaway" was one of the best things I've read in a long time.
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and capital equipment. Now that my bank account is somewhat diminished after the marathon, I am in need of some get rich quick schemes. Got any suggestions? 💲
	🤖 6:09pm herb.nyc: aside, at film forum nyc, this week: : Nam June Paik’s most celebrated sculptural piece, The More, the Better as described by Andrew Russeth (Artforum’s Best of 2022). The Korean-born, German-educated, life-long New Yorker, Nam June Paik (1932-2006) coined the phrase “the electronic superhighway” long before the Internet was born. A consummate shape-shifter — classical composer, …zzz
	🤖 6:10pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:09 Plastics! Or, if you want to show off your contemporary, hip nature: platform capture!
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining!
	6:11pm Listener Robert: Actually we hit the station fundraising goal a few hours earlier in the marathon last year, but the overall time was a few hours less this year because it started 6 AM Monday. In 2022 it started 5 PM Sunday so the regular Sun. shows would each get 2 installments during the 'thon.
	🤖 6:11pm Will thee Sound Guy: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:14pm The Butterman: Yo! Congrats Mark! You done done it!
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: ↳ The Butterman @6:14 Thanks - well the station did it - and all of the volunteers & pledgers & everyone together. Happy to see a successful marathon.
	6:18pm Carmichael: Heya Mark and others. Here for the technanigans.
	🤖 6:19pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:18 Throwing money at FMU is one of the most anticapitalist things you can DO with money!
	6:21pm Listener Robert: So what's the alternative to the dynamic (not just the specific cases) Doctorow's describing now? Won't anyone who develops a marginally superior platform wind up in a similarly advantaged position?
	🤖 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: Watched the Aqua Teen Hunger Force /Plantasm/ movie last night. They showed a company called Amazin' that appeared to be a parody of Amazon.
	6:23pm northguineahills: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:10 re: ovaltini ('drink more ovaltine") (ovals are still round)
	🤖 6:23pm chresti: Winey man-babies
	🤖 6:25pm chresti: encrappify
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: There are a few competitors to AWS, but boy, it's such an elephant!
	6:25pm ultradamno: I notice the new (and final) MX-80 Sound single includes (with the deluxe package offer) a totally fungible token... www.ebay.com...
	🤖 6:26pm Handy Haversack: "Dead-eyed Mitt Romney-ites who just want to extract and extract and extract": the problem neatly diagnosed.
	6:26pm Tommy in Neversink: This is sooo interesting
	🤖 6:26pm Handy Haversack: ↳ northguineahills @6:23 "Banya!"
	🤖 6:27pm chresti: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:26 Parasites
	🤖 6:28pm Handy Haversack: ↳ chresti @6:27 A.k.a. "capitalists."
	6:28pm Listener Robert: And don't we see similar dynamics in other businesses where there are costs to change? Landlords have extra leverage over rental space because of the expense and hassle of moving. Suppliers have leverage because users alter their operation to fit the specs of the items.
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: Capitalism is colonialization and exploitative extraction, and externalizing risk to their employees and the community it's a parasite on.
	6:29pm ultradamno: How long before the AI DJs start pairing with all the surveillance devices to start commenting on every move you make while listening?
	🤖 6:29pm chresti: Need rent control
	🤖 6:30pm Will thee Sound Guy: ↳ ultradamno @6:29 I give it 3 weeks... 😃
	🤖 6:31pm chresti: AI is so annoying with it's "suggestions"
	6:31pm gorp: enjoying the interview but seconding everyone who just said ‘this is not new; this is just how capitalism operates’
	6:33pm northguineahills: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:19 then there's the KLF, but giving to wfmu is more conducive to being communally culturally constructive.
	🤖 6:34pm chresti: Payola
	6:34pm Mark Hurst: ↳ chresti @6:34 exactly
	6:35pm The Butterman: Bring Mac Back!
	6:35pm grtyvr: "in YOUR audience"... lol
	🤖 6:35pm Will thee Sound Guy: I like our audience
	6:36pm mndave: There's also endless scambots with shops on social platforms that will automatically generate t-shirts or gear from something that's worn in a viral image or video, or in direct response to something a creator posts. No moderation whatsoever.
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: Thanks to WFMU, here are years of archives of The Antique Phonograph Music Program with Mac: www.wfmu.org...
	🤖 6:38pm chresti: And funnels, with the flywheels
	6:38pm dale: uncle josh records are rich in hilarity even if you can't make money off them.
	6:39pm coelacanth∅: copyright protection should terminate when the creator of the particular art dies -at which point it should be royalty free.
	🤖 6:39pm Will thee Sound Guy: Be like the avid WFMU listener, do the right thing
	6:40pm coelacanth∅: (or transferred to dependents until they're 18 years of age, where applicable)
	🤖 6:41pm Will thee Sound Guy: ↳ coelacanth∅ @6:39 interesting idea, but I can see the murder for hire business salivating over this for some reason.
	🤖 6:42pm chresti: ↳ coelacanth∅ @6:40 like a trust
	6:42pm Listener Robert: No, copyright should be for a fixed term regardless of the life of the creator.
	6:42pm Įkê: Àudiblė is a big employer in N. NJ, and actually lots of FMU ppl work there, or used to work there, and it’s very siloed, so lots of us did not know about this, or prob still don’t know.
	🤖 6:42pm Webhamster Henry: DRM that does not expire with copyright expiration violates copyright law.
	6:43pm Franco Twinkie: This past Saturday we went to a poetry reading. I bought a book from the author afterwards. I stuffed wrinkled dollar bills in her purse. Can't do that every day.
	6:43pm coelacanth∅: ha! true Will... there's no fence tall enough to keep out the assholeness of american-style pigs.
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Įkê @6:42 Audible was recruiting me, but there wasn't a there there for me.
	6:44pm coelacanth∅: Robert, no. my idea's better.
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Įkê @6:42 Publishers don't even know!
	6:45pm Listener Robert: Friend of mine's bothered by copyright on a photograph of a public-domain thing. He doesn't seem to get that that's reasonable, since other people can take their own photos of the thing in question.
	6:46pm ?: I’m terrified that I’m starting to see amzn virtual healthcare ads
	6:47pm Įêk: Also, the ÃCX self-pub audiobook platform is absolutely packed with garbage, such a constant ocean of scammy crap that (at least as of a couple of years ago) nobody in that department could keep up w/it or keep the scammers out.
	6:48pm coelacanth∅: "scamazon virtual healthcare"? can't be worse than the parasites we have now (ie "caremount")
	6:48pm Erin in TO: Great interview. Always love to hear Cory, he's brilliant. Thank you Mark!
	6:48pm Zinn The Mood: First step: start getting working and middle class folks (the 99%) to get up off of their knees to stop genuflecting at the altar of CAPITALISM. Stop worshipping the rich. You (we) are not a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. American media is so pervasive and persuasive with the brainwashing. Starts there. Got to get ordinary people to stop buying into the lie that the purpose of your whole existence is to get rich. Quickly, if possible.
	6:50pm Bea: Great interview, Mark! Thank you for all your great work that goes into this show.
	6:50pm coelacanth∅: true, Zinn. another perversion activated during the reagan era
	6:51pm Feldy: Fantastic show! Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:52pm Handy Haversack: ↳ coelacanth∅ @6:50 I think well before. The promise used to entice labor here was always land and money, and it was also weaponized to create a racial division between workers so that they could never find common cause and both groups could be fully exploited. I'd say that that myth has been going on since the land-grab westward expansions way early in the national history.
	6:52pm ?: ↳ Zinn The Mood @6:48 it’s repulsive and disordered for individuals to sequester massive amounts of wealth
	6:52pm Įêk: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:44 Used to be a good place to work for an editorial type since we are normally paid so poorly elsewhere. Plus free lunch every day (really meant for the tech ppl but you can’t really give it to them and not everyone else), which was a lovely perk. I’m like a dog — if you feed me, I’ll love you forever — or until you abuse me. Oh, and until you fail to question what crazy Nazi bullshit Sïmon & Schûstèr is publishing through your platform.
	6:53pm Zinn The Mood: Great Matt Christman podcast about the alienation and darkness so much of us feel at this moment - and how Christianity has been perverted to prop up capitalism. Guy’s a serious sage. podcasts.apple.com...
	🤖 6:53pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Įêk @6:52 Best to stick with Si-Mark and Scott-funkel.
	6:55pm Franco Twinkie: The secondary market for books and music is not a solution to the problem, but for the time been, it's the best I can do.
	6:55pm coelacanth∅: Handy yes of course it was well before. it's the american way. but reagan quieted any notion within the masses to be responsible or pragmatic, and told people, admittedly pathetically weak, "don't worry" and "look out for #1".
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: ↳ Įêk @6:52 Cats too.
	6:56pm ?: brilliant to circumvent the app store!
	🤖 6:56pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Mark, be well everyone!!!
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: Thank you, Mark and Cory! Another stab in the eye of the extractivists!
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Cory!
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: ↳ coelacanth∅ @6:55 Yeah, coela, I hear that.
	6:57pm Franco Twinkie: Thanks Mark.
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: there was a time -the 70s, when the was a glimmer of pragmatism, a glimmer of a society working together...
	6:57pm Įêk: ↳ chresti @6:55 I adore cats but they’re smarter than me when it comes to loving someone after they feed you. I’m more like a dumb dog — I adored them after they gave me a (quite good!) daily free lunch. Ofc that went away during the pandemic, among other things…
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: It's almost a relief to hear the Pac-Man-dies sound. The regular sound pump my anxiety so high. I can only really Dig-Dug.
	6:57pm melinda: thanks Mark
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Cory!
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Song: "The Model" by "Hikashu" Thanks for fleeing the ghosts and eating the pills, Pac-Mark!
	6:58pm dale: it's kraftwok!
	6:58pm Zinn The Mood: ↳ @6:52 Precisely, HH!
	6:58pm Mennlinn Rebarts: omoshiroi!
	🤖 6:59pm Will thee Sound Guy: ↳ Song: "The Model" by "Hikashu" pretty rad
	6:59pm wind: ↳ Song: "The Model" by "Hikashu" Thank you Mark!
	6:59pm ?: Ive been off amzn! They keep following me…
	7:01pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark! Thanks Cory! (and Thanks Rebecca!)
	9:20pm Dean: Ingram is the only book distributor? News to me.
	9:31pm Dean: How does one "buy a short position"? You take a short position by selling Amazon expecting its value will drop. Or you buy a put option.
	9:37pm Dean: "Fiduciaries"? No, that's not true.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from March 20, 2023

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March 20, 2023: Cory Doctorow, author, "Chokepoint Capitalism"

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• Chokepoint Capitalism: How Big Tech And Big Content Captured Creative Labor Markets And How We’ll Win Them Back, by Rebecca Giblin and Cory Doctorow – also available as an ebook directly from Cory’s site craphound.com

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• Pluralistic.net, Cory’s blog

• Tiktok’s enshittification (by Cory Doctorow, Pluralistic.net, Jan 21, 2023): “Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.” (What I call on the show, for FCC purposes, “enfecalization.” -mark)

• Interview of Cory in the New Yorker (Dec 4, 2022)

• Interview of Cory in Jacobin (Nov 8, 2022)

• The AI hype bubble is the new crypto hype bubble (by Cory Doctorow, Pluralistic.net, March 9, 2023): “Google and Bing are locked in an arms-race to see whose search engine can attain the speediest, most profound enshittification via chatbot, replacing links to web-pages with florid paragraphs composed by fully automated, supremely confident liars.” . . . “‘AI’ is practically purpose-built for inflating another hype-bubble, excelling as it does at producing party-tricks – plausible essays, weird images, voice impersonations.”

• Dow promised to turn sneakers into playground surfaces, then dumped them in Indonesia (by Cory on Pluralistic.net, Feb 26, 2023): “Dow Chemicals plastered Singapore with ads for its sneaker recycling program, promising to turn old shoes into playground tracks. But the shoes it collected in its “recycling” bins were illegally dumped in Indonesia.”

• Web apps could de-monopolize mobile devices (by Cory, Dec 13, 2022): “Mobile tech is a duopoly run by two companies – Google and Apple – with a combined market cap of $3.5 trillion. Each company uses a combination of tech, law, contract and market power to force sellers to do commerce via an app, and each one extracts a massive commission on all in-app sales – 15-30%!”

• Solving the Moderator’s Trilemma with Federation (March 4, 2023): “Facebook, Twitter and other walled gardens are designed to be sticky-traps, relying on high switching costs to keep users locked within their garden walls which are really prison walls. Internal memos from the companies reveal that this strategy is deliberate, designed to keep users from defecting even as the service degrades. By contrast, the Fediverse is designed for ease of exit.”

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Cory Doctorow, author, "Chokepoint Capitalism"
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
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Hikashu	The Model "The Model" by "Hikashu"	Tokyo Mobile Music 1	0:54:26 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtontranglers!
	🤖 6:01pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Post Marathon Techtonic! We appreciate how its technology helps WFMU connect to its audiences, distribute its streams, and provides a safe, non surveilled social experience.
	6:01pm Ciggy: Missed you last night at the Symphonica
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyon particles! We are the new robot overlords!
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi Capitechtonicans!
	6:02pm Daybreak is Curious...: Hello
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: And Cory is back... showing how crowdsourced publishing, in certain high profile situation, can be a success!
	🤖 6:02pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:01 As Dave the Spazz said last night, they "don't WANT to know anything about" us!
	6:02pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:02pm HyperDose: It was only a matter of time before the cybermen infiltrated FMU HQ
	🤖 6:03pm Handy Haversack: ↳ David in London @6:02 Evening, David!
	6:03pm Roger: I am SO looking forward to this show today, Cory always has something interesting to say.
	🤖 6:04pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Roger @6:03 Roger the Rockstar!
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: No Amazon robots or wage-slave workers package your WFMU swag.
	6:05pm Roger: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:04 I'm trying to forget
	🤖 6:05pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Roger @6:05 You were great!
	6:05pm Andrea C from the app: No way! Hello Mark! Hello Cory!!!
	6:06pm melinda: hi folks
	🤖 6:06pm herb.nyc: You're welcome, mark, but THANK YOU and all the wfmu'ers and volunteers and unseen support. Mark was the best of the singers in the hoof synf last night. I could watch him all night.
	6:07pm Daybreak is Curious...: Hey we are in the chat!
	6:07pm Ciggy: A crane collapsed at a Amazon warehouse under construction in Hawthorne, NY. A man had a partial leg amputation from the accident
	6:08pm Andrea C from the app: Ohps. I thought the interview was live. This is great nonetheless.
	6:08pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Corey, I LOVE YOUR WORK. Always have. And "Walkaway" was one of the best things I've read in a long time.
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and capital equipment. Now that my bank account is somewhat diminished after the marathon, I am in need of some get rich quick schemes. Got any suggestions? 💲
	🤖 6:09pm herb.nyc: aside, at film forum nyc, this week: : Nam June Paik’s most celebrated sculptural piece, The More, the Better as described by Andrew Russeth (Artforum’s Best of 2022). The Korean-born, German-educated, life-long New Yorker, Nam June Paik (1932-2006) coined the phrase “the electronic superhighway” long before the Internet was born. A consummate shape-shifter — classical composer, …zzz
	🤖 6:10pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:09 Plastics! Or, if you want to show off your contemporary, hip nature: platform capture!
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining!
	6:11pm Listener Robert: Actually we hit the station fundraising goal a few hours earlier in the marathon last year, but the overall time was a few hours less this year because it started 6 AM Monday. In 2022 it started 5 PM Sunday so the regular Sun. shows would each get 2 installments during the 'thon.
	🤖 6:11pm Will thee Sound Guy: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:14pm The Butterman: Yo! Congrats Mark! You done done it!
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: ↳ The Butterman @6:14 Thanks - well the station did it - and all of the volunteers & pledgers & everyone together. Happy to see a successful marathon.
	6:18pm Carmichael: Heya Mark and others. Here for the technanigans.
	🤖 6:19pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Mark Hurst @6:18 Throwing money at FMU is one of the most anticapitalist things you can DO with money!
	6:21pm Listener Robert: So what's the alternative to the dynamic (not just the specific cases) Doctorow's describing now? Won't anyone who develops a marginally superior platform wind up in a similarly advantaged position?
	🤖 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: Watched the Aqua Teen Hunger Force /Plantasm/ movie last night. They showed a company called Amazin' that appeared to be a parody of Amazon.
	6:23pm northguineahills: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:10 re: ovaltini ('drink more ovaltine") (ovals are still round)
	🤖 6:23pm chresti: Winey man-babies
	🤖 6:25pm chresti: encrappify
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: There are a few competitors to AWS, but boy, it's such an elephant!
	6:25pm ultradamno: I notice the new (and final) MX-80 Sound single includes (with the deluxe package offer) a totally fungible token... www.ebay.com...
	🤖 6:26pm Handy Haversack: "Dead-eyed Mitt Romney-ites who just want to extract and extract and extract": the problem neatly diagnosed.
	6:26pm Tommy in Neversink: This is sooo interesting
	🤖 6:26pm Handy Haversack: ↳ northguineahills @6:23 "Banya!"
	🤖 6:27pm chresti: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:26 Parasites
	🤖 6:28pm Handy Haversack: ↳ chresti @6:27 A.k.a. "capitalists."
	6:28pm Listener Robert: And don't we see similar dynamics in other businesses where there are costs to change? Landlords have extra leverage over rental space because of the expense and hassle of moving. Suppliers have leverage because users alter their operation to fit the specs of the items.
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: Capitalism is colonialization and exploitative extraction, and externalizing risk to their employees and the community it's a parasite on.
	6:29pm ultradamno: How long before the AI DJs start pairing with all the surveillance devices to start commenting on every move you make while listening?
	🤖 6:29pm chresti: Need rent control
	🤖 6:30pm Will thee Sound Guy: ↳ ultradamno @6:29 I give it 3 weeks... 😃
	🤖 6:31pm chresti: AI is so annoying with it's "suggestions"
	6:31pm gorp: enjoying the interview but seconding everyone who just said ‘this is not new; this is just how capitalism operates’
	6:33pm northguineahills: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:19 then there's the KLF, but giving to wfmu is more conducive to being communally culturally constructive.
	🤖 6:34pm chresti: Payola
	6:34pm Mark Hurst: ↳ chresti @6:34 exactly
	6:35pm The Butterman: Bring Mac Back!
	6:35pm grtyvr: "in YOUR audience"... lol
	🤖 6:35pm Will thee Sound Guy: I like our audience
	6:36pm mndave: There's also endless scambots with shops on social platforms that will automatically generate t-shirts or gear from something that's worn in a viral image or video, or in direct response to something a creator posts. No moderation whatsoever.
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: Thanks to WFMU, here are years of archives of The Antique Phonograph Music Program with Mac: www.wfmu.org...
	🤖 6:38pm chresti: And funnels, with the flywheels
	6:38pm dale: uncle josh records are rich in hilarity even if you can't make money off them.
	6:39pm coelacanth∅: copyright protection should terminate when the creator of the particular art dies -at which point it should be royalty free.
	🤖 6:39pm Will thee Sound Guy: Be like the avid WFMU listener, do the right thing
	6:40pm coelacanth∅: (or transferred to dependents until they're 18 years of age, where applicable)
	🤖 6:41pm Will thee Sound Guy: ↳ coelacanth∅ @6:39 interesting idea, but I can see the murder for hire business salivating over this for some reason.
	🤖 6:42pm chresti: ↳ coelacanth∅ @6:40 like a trust
	6:42pm Listener Robert: No, copyright should be for a fixed term regardless of the life of the creator.
	6:42pm Įkê: Àudiblė is a big employer in N. NJ, and actually lots of FMU ppl work there, or used to work there, and it’s very siloed, so lots of us did not know about this, or prob still don’t know.
	🤖 6:42pm Webhamster Henry: DRM that does not expire with copyright expiration violates copyright law.
	6:43pm Franco Twinkie: This past Saturday we went to a poetry reading. I bought a book from the author afterwards. I stuffed wrinkled dollar bills in her purse. Can't do that every day.
	6:43pm coelacanth∅: ha! true Will... there's no fence tall enough to keep out the assholeness of american-style pigs.
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Įkê @6:42 Audible was recruiting me, but there wasn't a there there for me.
	6:44pm coelacanth∅: Robert, no. my idea's better.
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Įkê @6:42 Publishers don't even know!
	6:45pm Listener Robert: Friend of mine's bothered by copyright on a photograph of a public-domain thing. He doesn't seem to get that that's reasonable, since other people can take their own photos of the thing in question.
	6:46pm ?: I’m terrified that I’m starting to see amzn virtual healthcare ads
	6:47pm Įêk: Also, the ÃCX self-pub audiobook platform is absolutely packed with garbage, such a constant ocean of scammy crap that (at least as of a couple of years ago) nobody in that department could keep up w/it or keep the scammers out.
	6:48pm coelacanth∅: "scamazon virtual healthcare"? can't be worse than the parasites we have now (ie "caremount")
	6:48pm Erin in TO: Great interview. Always love to hear Cory, he's brilliant. Thank you Mark!
	6:48pm Zinn The Mood: First step: start getting working and middle class folks (the 99%) to get up off of their knees to stop genuflecting at the altar of CAPITALISM. Stop worshipping the rich. You (we) are not a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. American media is so pervasive and persuasive with the brainwashing. Starts there. Got to get ordinary people to stop buying into the lie that the purpose of your whole existence is to get rich. Quickly, if possible.
	6:50pm Bea: Great interview, Mark! Thank you for all your great work that goes into this show.
	6:50pm coelacanth∅: true, Zinn. another perversion activated during the reagan era
	6:51pm Feldy: Fantastic show! Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:52pm Handy Haversack: ↳ coelacanth∅ @6:50 I think well before. The promise used to entice labor here was always land and money, and it was also weaponized to create a racial division between workers so that they could never find common cause and both groups could be fully exploited. I'd say that that myth has been going on since the land-grab westward expansions way early in the national history.
	6:52pm ?: ↳ Zinn The Mood @6:48 it’s repulsive and disordered for individuals to sequester massive amounts of wealth
	6:52pm Įêk: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:44 Used to be a good place to work for an editorial type since we are normally paid so poorly elsewhere. Plus free lunch every day (really meant for the tech ppl but you can’t really give it to them and not everyone else), which was a lovely perk. I’m like a dog — if you feed me, I’ll love you forever — or until you abuse me. Oh, and until you fail to question what crazy Nazi bullshit Sïmon & Schûstèr is publishing through your platform.
	6:53pm Zinn The Mood: Great Matt Christman podcast about the alienation and darkness so much of us feel at this moment - and how Christianity has been perverted to prop up capitalism. Guy’s a serious sage. podcasts.apple.com...
	🤖 6:53pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Įêk @6:52 Best to stick with Si-Mark and Scott-funkel.
	6:55pm Franco Twinkie: The secondary market for books and music is not a solution to the problem, but for the time been, it's the best I can do.
	6:55pm coelacanth∅: Handy yes of course it was well before. it's the american way. but reagan quieted any notion within the masses to be responsible or pragmatic, and told people, admittedly pathetically weak, "don't worry" and "look out for #1".
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: ↳ Įêk @6:52 Cats too.
	6:56pm ?: brilliant to circumvent the app store!
	🤖 6:56pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Mark, be well everyone!!!
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: Thank you, Mark and Cory! Another stab in the eye of the extractivists!
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Cory!
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: ↳ coelacanth∅ @6:55 Yeah, coela, I hear that.
	6:57pm Franco Twinkie: Thanks Mark.
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: there was a time -the 70s, when the was a glimmer of pragmatism, a glimmer of a society working together...
	6:57pm Įêk: ↳ chresti @6:55 I adore cats but they’re smarter than me when it comes to loving someone after they feed you. I’m more like a dumb dog — I adored them after they gave me a (quite good!) daily free lunch. Ofc that went away during the pandemic, among other things…
	🤖 6:57pm Handy Haversack: It's almost a relief to hear the Pac-Man-dies sound. The regular sound pump my anxiety so high. I can only really Dig-Dug.
	6:57pm melinda: thanks Mark
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Cory!
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Song: "The Model" by "Hikashu" Thanks for fleeing the ghosts and eating the pills, Pac-Mark!
	6:58pm dale: it's kraftwok!
	6:58pm Zinn The Mood: ↳ @6:52 Precisely, HH!
	6:58pm Mennlinn Rebarts: omoshiroi!
	🤖 6:59pm Will thee Sound Guy: ↳ Song: "The Model" by "Hikashu" pretty rad
	6:59pm wind: ↳ Song: "The Model" by "Hikashu" Thank you Mark!
	6:59pm ?: Ive been off amzn! They keep following me…
	7:01pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark! Thanks Cory! (and Thanks Rebecca!)
	9:20pm Dean: Ingram is the only book distributor? News to me.
	9:31pm Dean: How does one "buy a short position"? You take a short position by selling Amazon expecting its value will drop. Or you buy a put option.
	9:37pm Dean: "Fiduciaries"? No, that's not true.

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