Is it water? I want to say she's a centaur, but the body of the long haired white horse is invisible. Mistake by a potion that was supposed to make her all woman, not half.
Thanks, fred. Better than yesterday, that's certain. A little overwhelmed with work after the holiday and then being sick. Getting close to packing it in for the day, though.
Well, maybe, and the painter had no idea that the surf would behave that way from back to front? Applying logic to this seems impossibly foolish. Art inspires conversation, and this has done that. And I don't get art ;)
i wonder how many digitless paintings the severely digitphobiac uncredited has created, and in what other creative ways he/she has circumvented painting hands and feet.
3:31pm
listener Phillip in the Bronx:
I knew Gus had to have a “side hustle” freezing people a perfect line of work for him
i knew a guy who was scared of (though he wouldn't have used that terminology) women's hands if they weren't dainty pretty hands.
he must've been terrified by my girlfriend at the time!
Ah thanks! Even better. I was folding laundry. And drinking red wine.
3:45pm
Erik/VermonT:
Thanks for re-opening my eyes to Analog Man !
- Walsh usually surprises (he was always a great guest on the chat shows - droll humorist). Plus, he gave us The James Gang !
3:46pm
Dean:
The painting (or at least the photo) is titled: Ocean Queen. And it's signed by what looks like:
Joe Walsh unilaterally decided he was going to live at Ardent Studios for a while. They gave him a key so he could come and go as he pleased. Eventually they convinced Joe’s handlers to come and collect him.
It was mixed in pretty low at least during the outro. That celesta? was nice, I mainly noticed that high-pitched instrument myself. (But don't mess with Irwin! He even edits out bad drumming! 😁)
Ol' Hickory!
May go great with smoked meat and breakfast food. Hickory is a classic tree and flavor profile in the U.S., but because of a tree disease in the 19th century a lot of them died off. Hopefully they're making a comeback.
And YES, apple cider donuts, wouldn't be a NY market without those!
The song is going out over a two-chord progression. Which is *exactly* the place that a drummer seeks to play (or is specifically asked to) or says something interesting. In this case, being slightly trippy, it may have called for a little more Ringo “A Day In The Life” simple kind of stuff.
But as a drummer I’m not that bothered by it. Except for maybe that fast single stroke roll around the set that could be seen as slightly out of place.
Overall it’s not that problematic, if at all. The criticism was a bit unnecessarily harsh.
Your show today, however, has been excellent though, thanks!
...the real McCoy !
A majestic & baroque Harpsichord
- then the powerful, punctuating & alternating arpeggios & clusters for which he is so celebrated & exalted
...as I ponder this Vision before Us All
...evidently the Henna-headed Goddess of Nature's Own & Great Bidet
- we turn our open-mouthed gaze Heavenward
...& our open-gaited Nethers to the Mighty Sea
...of a Wednesday Afternoon here...
4:14pm
?:
The painting is Titled "'Mama" by 51 year old son basement dweller still looking for work since 2012.
4:15pm
Dean:
Album credits celesta, but I thought I heard a harpsichord, too.
4:16pm
Late Bloomer:
That McCoy tyner was really sounding like Roxy musics another fine edition of you to me
4:16pm
Dean:
My bad. Album credits celesta on one track, harpsichord on "Celestial Chant" (ironically).
↳
Song:
"The Lost Art of Keeping a Secret" by "Queens of t...
Don't tell enywown.
4:22pm
Erik/VermonT:
Been really enjoying the ever simmering bubbling
Drummers quips. (seems to be agitating to more than a mere simmer lately). However, I’ve heard less polite feelings expressed via fun music radio show “Sound Opinions” outta Chicago. One of the drummer hosts detests over-drummers (Keith Moon oft sited)
Personally, as a fellow amateur drummer, I adore all things “too drummy”. K.Moon, John ‘drumbo’ French, Jody Stephens (Big Star), XTC, that PiL Flowers of Romance album ! , etc etc.
ps: i too was quite impressed with Alice de Buhr when I went down the rabbit-hole with the FANNY back catalog a few years ago ! Whew (those live tv appearances / broadcasts !) … GO !
4:23pm
Tom from Stirling:
Say what you will about irwin's show. He plays the good musics. You can't really say that about everybody.
I think of it as on a Drumming Spectrum - KeithMoon defines one extreme of 'Expressive' - with 'Technical' @ the other end with say Neil Peart
...I suppose tho that that's only one 'straight line' for Drumming that could be proposed, tho - as for any Instrument...
I knew where that link would lead. I LOVE that drummer. He's incredible. Without him, that band is of zero interest. I've watched that clip dozens of times. He's a master.
i don't think Keith Moon "overdrummed" any more than Sunny Murray or Whit Dicky. in those contexts it's texture, and an integral part of the composition of the music
The most fundamental thing a Drummer can do is Keep Time. That counts for a lot.
Beyond that - Drumming is part of the overall Arrangement & Expression like every other Instrument &/or Voice. It's no less broad than that... So - there's Ensemble playing in that ...on both counts (Time Keeping & Accents alike...) - how players jive with each other. There's no accounting for 'Chemistry' like that... Sometimes truly Great Players don't work well together. Of course there are Pros who are super Capable & Reliable - & we exalt them for that.
KeithMoon - whatever his musical &/or personal liabilities - blew a giant hole in what was expected or even imagined in Rawk Drumming in the mid1960s - just as Townshend blew a hole in all our eardrums with the first Marshall stacks... That makes him one of the most important Players ever. Tragically - the same personal attributes that made him so dynamic in this regard made him increasingly unreliable - which is awful in yer Rhythm Section. & also created a lot of stress for people who cared about him - & took his life - if not @ 27 then soon enuff.
...Daltrey (for one) made the very good point that Moon 'got inside' the song & blew it apart from there. He illustrated how Moon followed & accentuated the Vocal ~ Singer by isolating just those two tracks in a mix. A Lead player from in back on a DrumStool. TheWho were a bit inside-out like that per band roles...
I'm not good at keeping a steady rhythm, so I admire all those who provide a good beat. Like you said, different directions of creativity, from Moon~Peart, and with Ringo as the balanced fulcrum, best valued for his steadiness and control.
He had "Uncle Keith" teach Zak how to drum, and it's good that someone has preserved Moonie's technique. But Ringo didn't teach him his own technique? Well, if his steadiness is his best virtue, you can't really 'teach' that.
I loved Moon's drumming. He was the perfect drummer for that band. But he was probably a bad influence on young drummers who tried to emulate him and just ended up overplaying in the wrong musical context.
4:51pm
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↳
Irwin @4:49
Moon loved Dino Danelli..in fact it was Dino who taught Moon how to twirl his sticks (in London). Kurt Reil of NJ's Gripweeds is a very good, Moon influenced drummer
Like anything, it's better to learn all the basics thoroughly and figure out how you fit into them, before deciding how to stretch them and innovate your own way. And decide which context/s to "go wild" in.
Ringo is about Support in that Ensemble sense. Ringo was Always There - an absolute Champ like that. & what that little combo with a notable Writer or two that made some obscure Recordings most needed. He's never liked Soloing. But - he also had - for just those requirements - really great Range. & Swing. He has a distinct Voice that may don't credit him with. Beyond just 'Metronomic ability'. Partly from being a Lefty on a Righty Drumset. His accents.
Dino Danelli was like a more reliable Moon - in both the better & worse senses. & absolutely twirling sticks ages before every Metalhead. Already there in the mid1960s.
You know who was incomprehensibly accomplished ? Ginger Baker.
4:58pm
Dean:
Remember when Charlie Watts died, the outpouring of admiration for his musical elegance?
This whole set has been perfect for my music needs. Whole show has been fantastic. The art sparked a fantastic amount of chat. Moving into the cocktail hour shortly, and out of the accu. The music shall continue. Hope everyone has a great evening as May fades into June.
Yeah but what would the Stones be with too many edges polished off ...& was that long ago a less than rhetorical question in the previous century or something...
Ringo's 'accents' are varied and distinct, his own comments to the standard beats that made them 'speak', and not just dryly keeping time. Definitely the ensemble player, but that's where he thrives.
I like the "Day in the Life" sessions, where you hear his sound evolving with the song; at first, he plays a textbook sort of fill to go with the vocals. Then he starts to add 'accents' and emphasize the parts of the song as the form becomes clearer and a concept develops.
Inversely, "I Can't Explain" has been noted as being a regular sort of song that Moonie made spectacular, by throwing the textbook away and going in a wild, unexpected direction.
I second that adjective. Was never impressed with his playing. He filled a chair. But I understand he was also a man of great character and probably the ADULT in the band.
Moon certainly had his influences & precedents in both Jazz & a few UK contemporaries. But there is something about what Moon pulled out of himself out of the sky - out of nowhere ...he was not only Significant & Revolutionary for Rawk - but Singular as a Creative - & both of these make him exalted in a way comparable to Hendrix.
That thing that is the Ultimate for Artists :
Something to Say.
& if you have enuff of that - finding the Energy & Ability to in fact Say It is one's next difficulty ...not all the ways of getting there are always healthy or constructive - much less predictable...
Nothing I'd expect from the LennOno association. DJ Julie said the lady singer didn't stay long...
5:15pm
?:
Many many good drummers Phil Collins, Pat Mastelotto, Chester Thompson, Chad Wackerman, Ralph Humphries, and Vinnie Coliuto (Steve Vai relates a great Vinnie story in a tube video)
and I haven't even touched on the jazz world drummers
Rawk vs. Jazz players - so often like comparing First Graders to Graduates, anyhow. I mean - everything is its own Art with its own demands & traits... But Jazz players are dedicated & accomplished like Classical players who also have to Swing & Improvise...
As all drummers know, there is a solemn legal obligation to discuss Steve Gadd whenever this conversation comes up. I'm surprised no one else got to this first.
Fun flea market find. Maybe they hid the hands because they are difficult to do well without lotsa practice. (I can vouch.) Better than most stuff online at The Museum of Bad Art, Boston!
There are lots of great pieces of music which I'm sure wouldn't be as great without the contributions of amazing drummers – and indeed, it's extremely likely that if the impossible experiment of going back in time and causing those songs to have been recorded at the same time but with less brilliant drummers could be conducted, I'd be here liking the songs less.
But I just don't seem to be built to tune into drumming and notice it consciously, unless something so unusual is going on there that I have no choice but to notice.
I'm sure it affects my overall enjoyment of the music, but drumming isn't something I usually HEAR consciously.
It's funny. Since I diddle Gittar myself - I think I kinda take even *rilly good* Gittar for granted ? But I love Drummers specifically for doing something I don't have. I listen differently I think. All the pieces mean something to me. We think of Percussion as outside the harmonic ~ intervalic pitch aspect of Music. (Why is just banging on things Musical ? This is very basic stuff to ponder...) But even that is not so.
5:36pm
Dean:
Without drummers, Steve Reich's Drumming would pretty much fall flat.
refer again to Rabbit @440 "The most fundamental thing a Drummer can do is Keep Time. That counts for a lot.
Beyond that - Drumming is part of the overall Arrangement & Expression like every other Instrument &/or Voice. It's no less broad than that."
...i've always noticed all instruments, generally
5:39pm
Ochre Ogre:
Hi Irwin! Just got in comments.
Cool (water girl?) painting, nice impasto. Your find?
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Listener comments!
Always First:
AnAnonymousParty:
Hear her roar.
Especially with a broken right femur.
Matt from Springfield:
HI Irwin and Chusidiers!
common:
hilaryprudy:
DjLorraine:
listener Phillip in the Bronx:
chris in the redwoods:
hello, Irwin, and other winners!
Matt from Springfield:
Those Q-Tip arms seem to have pulled out something bloody. Don't want to guess what the rest also looks like.
listener Phillip in the Bronx:
Roberto:
Carmichael:
G:
Matt from Springfield:
Laura L:
Borg9:
BH:
coelacanth∅:
coelacanth∅:
Hubig Pie:
Beetlemuse:
Carmichael:
fred:
Handy Haversack:
Matt from Springfield:
fred:
Irwin:
Listener Robert:
Irwin:
Robm:
Matt from Springfield:
rrg:
AnAnonymousParty:
critic∅:
all in all i dislike it, due to execution, but it's an interesting composition.
coelacanth∅:
Matt from Springfield:
I just said that metaphorically because of her vocal style.
Not unlike later 80s Kate either, as pointed out by @rrg.
Listener Robert:
Laura L:
DjLorraine:
coelacanth∅:
Matt from Springfield:
Is sniffing glue still on the table??
Ola, coela!
chresti:
Listener Robert:
northguineahills:
coelacanth∅:
love2laf:
chresti:
Matt from Springfield:
(to call back to rrg)
northguineahills:
ryansterlingvirtue:
love2laf:
coelacanth∅:
Handy Haversack:
Ken From Hyde Park:
chresti:
spodiodi:
visited your street today -- new to me!
spodiodi:
love2laf:
spodiodi:
Matt from Springfield:
Webhamster Henry:
love2laf:
northguineahills:
Matt from Springfield:
coelacanth∅:
listener Phillip in the Bronx:
spodiodi:
ok, brokey ... ahha
Matt from Springfield:
LGBT-Coooool! *plus*.
DjLorraine:
DjLorraine:
G:
egould:
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Matt from Springfield:
chresti:
Dean:
egould:
coelacanth∅:
Irwin:
DjLorraine:
rrg:
coelacanth∅:
Cooh John:
Laura L:
love2laf:
northguineahills:
The Butterman:
Rich in Washington:
coelacanth∅:
he must've been terrified by my girlfriend at the time!
Beetlemuse:
egould:
Erik/VermonT:
- Walsh usually surprises (he was always a great guest on the chat shows - droll humorist). Plus, he gave us The James Gang !
Dean:
S. S. Scoodartz
egould:
Irwin:
Irwin:
Bob Ross:
listener 126464:
spodiodi:
Matt from Springfield:
love2laf:
Hubig Pie:
Hubig Pie:
12539:
coelacanth∅:
Hubig Pie:
Karl Ward:
coelacanth∅:
MarciB:
Beetlemuse:
Jeff Moore:
I never notice drumming.
love2laf:
Matt from Springfield:
Matt from Springfield:
Fish kill? Could that be what this is, mermaid kill at least??
Dean:
coelacanth∅:
spodiodi:
bill hanke:
love2laf:
PKNY:
Matt from Springfield:
May go great with smoked meat and breakfast food. Hickory is a classic tree and flavor profile in the U.S., but because of a tree disease in the 19th century a lot of them died off. Hopefully they're making a comeback.
And YES, apple cider donuts, wouldn't be a NY market without those!
wenzo:
Andrew_in_WI:
Matt from Springfield:
Irwin:
Zinn The Mood:
The song is going out over a two-chord progression. Which is *exactly* the place that a drummer seeks to play (or is specifically asked to) or says something interesting. In this case, being slightly trippy, it may have called for a little more Ringo “A Day In The Life” simple kind of stuff.
But as a drummer I’m not that bothered by it. Except for maybe that fast single stroke roll around the set that could be seen as slightly out of place.
Overall it’s not that problematic, if at all. The criticism was a bit unnecessarily harsh.
Your show today, however, has been excellent though, thanks!
Andrew_in_WI:
Matt from Springfield:
coelacanth∅:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
A majestic & baroque Harpsichord
- then the powerful, punctuating & alternating arpeggios & clusters for which he is so celebrated & exalted
...as I ponder this Vision before Us All
...evidently the Henna-headed Goddess of Nature's Own & Great Bidet
- we turn our open-mouthed gaze Heavenward
...& our open-gaited Nethers to the Mighty Sea
...of a Wednesday Afternoon here...
?:
Dean:
Late Bloomer:
Dean:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
@ your requesta...
Hubig Pie:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
Matt formerly jetboy:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
Jeff Moore:
Erik/VermonT:
Drummers quips. (seems to be agitating to more than a mere simmer lately). However, I’ve heard less polite feelings expressed via fun music radio show “Sound Opinions” outta Chicago. One of the drummer hosts detests over-drummers (Keith Moon oft sited)
Personally, as a fellow amateur drummer, I adore all things “too drummy”. K.Moon, John ‘drumbo’ French, Jody Stephens (Big Star), XTC, that PiL Flowers of Romance album ! , etc etc.
ps: i too was quite impressed with Alice de Buhr when I went down the rabbit-hole with the FANNY back catalog a few years ago ! Whew (those live tv appearances / broadcasts !) … GO !
Tom from Stirling:
Dean:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
...I suppose tho that that's only one 'straight line' for Drumming that could be proposed, tho - as for any Instrument...
Fredericks:
Tom from Stirling:
Irwin:
Irwin:
Dean:
Irwin:
Matt from Springfield:
northguineahills:
Irwin:
Tom from Stirling:
Tom from Stirling:
coelacanth∅:
Matt from Springfield:
Andrew_in_WI:
miketp:
Matt formerly jetboy:
Irwin:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
Beyond that - Drumming is part of the overall Arrangement & Expression like every other Instrument &/or Voice. It's no less broad than that... So - there's Ensemble playing in that ...on both counts (Time Keeping & Accents alike...) - how players jive with each other. There's no accounting for 'Chemistry' like that... Sometimes truly Great Players don't work well together. Of course there are Pros who are super Capable & Reliable - & we exalt them for that.
KeithMoon - whatever his musical &/or personal liabilities - blew a giant hole in what was expected or even imagined in Rawk Drumming in the mid1960s - just as Townshend blew a hole in all our eardrums with the first Marshall stacks... That makes him one of the most important Players ever. Tragically - the same personal attributes that made him so dynamic in this regard made him increasingly unreliable - which is awful in yer Rhythm Section. & also created a lot of stress for people who cared about him - & took his life - if not @ 27 then soon enuff.
?:
Matt from Springfield:
Great singer, great band! (But, you're not gonna do this forever, are you?? You may tire of this rock star life and wanna settle down...)
Irwin:
Ike:
northguineahills:
northguineahills:
/I 💖 blonde redhead!
Irwin:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
Matt from Springfield:
He had "Uncle Keith" teach Zak how to drum, and it's good that someone has preserved Moonie's technique. But Ringo didn't teach him his own technique? Well, if his steadiness is his best virtue, you can't really 'teach' that.
Ike:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
Matt from Springfield:
Irwin:
?:
Matt from Springfield:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
Irwin:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
Irwin:
Dean:
egould:
Dean:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
You know who was incomprehensibly accomplished ? Ginger Baker.
Dean:
ben & Reba:
lieutenant lambrusco:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
coelacanth∅:
coelacanth∅:
Dean:
love2laf:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
egould:
Matt from Springfield:
I like the "Day in the Life" sessions, where you hear his sound evolving with the song; at first, he plays a textbook sort of fill to go with the vocals. Then he starts to add 'accents' and emphasize the parts of the song as the form becomes clearer and a concept develops.
Inversely, "I Can't Explain" has been noted as being a regular sort of song that Moonie made spectacular, by throwing the textbook away and going in a wild, unexpected direction.
Dean:
Matt from Springfield:
coelacanth∅:
Listener Robert:
Irwin:
coelacanth∅:
coelacanth∅:
-doesn't get enough acknowledgement in my opinion
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
That thing that is the Ultimate for Artists :
Something to Say.
& if you have enuff of that - finding the Energy & Ability to in fact Say It is one's next difficulty ...not all the ways of getting there are always healthy or constructive - much less predictable...
Feldy:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
Matt from Springfield:
Irwin:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
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and I haven't even touched on the jazz world drummers
-жеи:
Irwin:
Irwin:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
Jeff Moore:
I was being flippant. Sometimes I notice drumming.
I noticed Gene Krupa's propulsive drumming in Sing, Sing, Sing (With a Swing).
I noticed Meg White's primal and pure drumming.
And I sometimes notice Andrew Cyrille's drumming.
Matt from Springfield:
I don't mind that this jazz got mixed in the telepod with me...
Thanks for the location reference, @Ken!
northguineahills:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
?:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
PaulRobeson1923:
Karl Ward:
(drops drumsticks, loudly)
egould:
Karl Ward:
coelacanth∅:
hilaryprudy:
Mup Mahoy:
Larry in Merrlin:
coelacanth∅:
Hubig Pie:
Jeff Moore:
But I just don't seem to be built to tune into drumming and notice it consciously, unless something so unusual is going on there that I have no choice but to notice.
I'm sure it affects my overall enjoyment of the music, but drumming isn't something I usually HEAR consciously.
egould:
northguineahills:
PaulRobeson1923:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
Dean:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
Jeff Moore:
coelacanth∅:
Beyond that - Drumming is part of the overall Arrangement & Expression like every other Instrument &/or Voice. It's no less broad than that."
...i've always noticed all instruments, generally
Ochre Ogre:
Cool (water girl?) painting, nice impasto. Your find?
northguineahills:
Dean:
Matt from Springfield:
Dean:
egould:
Dean:
Matt from Springfield:
Handy Haversack:
Dean:
egould:
Dean:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
Matt from Springfield:
Laura L:
pgalub:
northguineahills:
Erik/VermonT:
Plastic hair in that. I always thought that was Sam Ulano in taxi driver - I was wrong !
Who was it ?
12539:
Irwin:
Matt from Springfield:
Erik/VermonT:
Faust’s ,
Stooges (& just ask IGGY !)
Jazz drummers !
Personal fave : CHRIS CUTLER !!!!!’
- forever & always.
If Chris C isn’t available, I’m calling
CHARLES HAYWARD !
listener Phillip in the Bronx:
listener Phillip in the Bronx:
Dean:
Ochre Ogre:
listener 126464:
Feldy:
chris in the redwoods:
spodiodi:
loved music discussions
radioronan:
egould:
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:
...sorry if I typed too much...
Matt from Springfield:
(Fake Your Own Death - With Cryobiogenics™!)
spodiodi:
coelacanth∅: