WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 8, 2024

Listener comments!
	🤖 5:59pm Handy Haversack: Hey, Mark, all.
	6:01pm Rolando: Good Morning All 😊
	🤖 6:01pm tim: Hello Mark “Give ‘em Hell” Hurst! Hello Handy and crew!
	🤖 6:02pm tim: ↳ Rolando @6:01 Where are you tuning in from, Rolando?
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: Happy new SURVEILLANCE year!
	6:04pm Rolando: @Tim - Sunshine Coast Australia 🏖️
	6:05pm P.Welles: Happy new year!
	6:05pm Adi from Sheffield: Good evening, seeing out the remains of the day before I go to sleep.
	6:05pm Sam: Congratulations on 300 shows!!
	6:06pm Sam: You should’ve saved this one for your 404th show, heh heh.
	🤖 6:06pm MarciB: Thanks to this show, I subscribe to 404 Media - and it's revelatory.
	🤖 6:06pm tim: ↳ Rolando @6:04 Cheers, mate! I’m tuning in from about 2 hours south of Chicago.
	🤖 6:08pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	6:08pm Rolando: Mark - I'm so sorry I have missed a number of shows. Then End of School Year, has been so busy, and could not fit it all in - Shame on me for allowing myself to get sucked into the busy season.
	🤖 6:09pm Handy Haversack: ↳ MarciB @6:06 Yes, great organization.
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: Handy, tim, Webham, Rolando, P.Welles, Adi, Sam, Marci - thanks for joining this evening!
	🤖 6:10pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all!
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Rolando @6:08 No worries, the archives are there for you :)
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Bas NL @6:10 Welcome, Bas!
	6:11pm chris in the redwoods: this is a great reminder for me to throw some coins in 404 media's tip jar. such a cool resource! and hello, Mark and everyone!
	6:11pm P.Welles: This show is a real public service
	6:12pm John: Mark — great to meet you Saturday night. Great show.
	6:12pm Rolando: @Tim - Current time in Queensland, Australia is GMT+10 so its 9:09AM on Tuesday here. So to Marks point earlier - welcoming future listeners to the show - That would be me 10 hours in the future. ⏱️
	🤖 6:13pm Bas NL: [Not Made In China]
	6:14pm Old Dave: Hey, does my Dollar Store "fake" surveillance cam with the impressive flashing red LED actually contain a battery powered camera in the smoked dome thingy? It was made in China...
	🤖 6:15pm tim: ↳ Rolando @6:12 Cool. Thanks for the info. I’m on hour behind New Jersey. It’s 5:13 pm here. You’re a man of the future and I’m behind the times.
	🤖 6:16pm tim: The greatest excuse of all time. “Well, I didn’t know!”
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: ↳ John @6:12 Nice meeting you, too, John! Thanks for joining this evening.
	6:17pm Rolando: Speaking generally - Australians view themselves as the lucky country and people so folks are very relaxed especially here in Queenland - Seldom complain - What this means now is that we have large (very tall poles) with cameras all along our freeway, they are popping up everywhere on the beaches, and coastal walks. There is basically nowhere we can avoid camera's and on one is complaining about it. - I find it somewhat concerning.
	6:17pm Mike Sin: Just read an article about this very topic in the NY Times last week... more than a $30 million deal.
	6:22pm Rolando: I plan to write to our local council to find out how long the data is stored, how it is being used, who has access to it. What data are they collection. Rupert Murdoch owns the almost the entire news network here ( as you know ) and well we get a lot of happy talk going on about how lucky we are. But boy oh boy they were nasty during covid restrictions, so it's not neutral at all. - (in my opinon). - it's the same excuse - here let me keep you SAFE. !!! I don't want to be SAFE - I want to be FREEE !!!!!
	🤖 6:22pm chresti: ↳ tim @6:16 "nobody told me!"
	🤖 6:24pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Rolando @6:22 Then when you're branded as a troublemaker, they'll put up five more cameras up on your street.
	🤖 6:24pm tim: ↳ chresti @6:22 Exactly! That’s an excuse a pickleball player would use!
	6:25pm just blaze: ↳ tim @6:24 i think you mean tennisito, formally known as pickleball
	🤖 6:26pm chresti: ↳ tim @6:24 That's right! They're a slippery bunch!
	6:26pm P.Welles: beyond the X Ray Specs
	6:28pm Rolando: Even Douglas Rushkoff in his most recent episode raised a eyebrow in the direction of Covid ... @Ken yes, and I'm in the country on 2 acres of land, and like you say just down the road is a camera at the corner, which means that I can't even leave the one - easily if lets say the wanted to keep a eye on me :) - luckily I'm a peaceful benevolent sort of person with a reasonable reputations but but even then they get it wrong - OFTEN and next thing you know you have a Black Flag / Black Balled sort of label.
	🤖 6:28pm tim: ↳ just blaze @6:25 Them too!
	🤖 6:30pm Bas NL: Location logging (24/7) was just removed from our company emergency response app. I got angry about it to the head of the service... :)
	6:31pm Sam: Polish trains designed to break…. Sounds like a bad joke.
	🤖 6:31pm tim: ↳ Bas NL @6:30 Good job, Bas!
	🤖 6:32pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Bas NL @6:30 They put in key cards for the first time at work, supplied by a very dodgy company that also of course has an app (which clearly I can't use). But I managed to convince the HR person to let me keep using a physical key instead. If it ain't broke ...
	6:33pm Rolando: Am I right in thinking this is the 404 Media website? www.404media.co
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Rolando @6:33 Yup.
	🤖 6:34pm Bas NL: ↳ tim @6:31 Data was stored for 34 months and could be requested any time by my employer.
	6:37pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Long time listener, occasional commenter. Hello Mark and everyone.
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @6:37 Hi Peter, thanks for joining!
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Bas NL @6:34 Well worth raising a complaint - nice work!
	🤖 6:38pm Folsom: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:32 Our CEO is obsessed with percentage of people going into the office, he puts tables of different offices that shows how many people show up on his internal meetings.
	🤖 6:39pm tim: ↳ Bas NL @6:34 They have no business with that information about you.
	🤖 6:41pm Bas NL: One could hire a lock box at a local music hall. 'Scan the QR code and you get a 4 euro access code through your gmail (a gmail account could be made for free in one go. Well.... no. The service desk grouchily offered an option. I could pay 2 euro by direct debit card for a locker. I payed and she gave a 2 euro coin.. 'It's for those old lockers in the back.'
	🤖 6:41pm Webhamster Henry: We need a "verified robot" badge!
	🤖 6:41pm tim: Would Facebook shut down the group on fb that’s tracking the ai images?
	🤖 6:43pm Handy Haversack: ↳ tim @6:41 Well, they won't shut down pedophile image-sharing groups, but if the AI-detecting ones threatened their bottom line ...
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: Any thing that looks "too good to be true" is in fact too good to be true.
	6:43pm Jason Koebler: Hey everyone! This is Jason at 404 - thanks so much for listening. I'm around if you have any specific questions
	🤖 6:43pm chresti: They use AI to create regurgitated content? Will they continue when no live person is on facebook?
	6:44pm Rolando: I've managed to avoid AI - but increasingly I'm feeling the pressure. So for example I'd like a good voice to text app, bit guess what they all use Whisper !!! so what do we do? in the end we are going to be pushed into using BSD / Linux and hanging out on SDF.org which is one of the last vestiges of technology freedom.
	6:44pm Mark Hurst: Hey Jason, thanks for joining! And thanks for this great interview.
	6:44pm Jason Koebler: Sorry I'm late :]
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Jason Koebler @6:43 Really respect 404's ethos and methodology, Jason! Thanks for being here.
	🤖 6:45pm Webhamster Henry: There's a movement in the comix creator community to ban or at least isolate ML-assisted/created artist booths at comic-cons.
	🤖 6:45pm Bas NL: ↳ Jason Koebler @6:44 Hello and thanks Jason!
	6:46pm Jason Koebler: Everyone who listened, thank you so much, it means a lot. I can't wait to go back through all the previous Techntonic episodes - Mark is a national treasure!
	🤖 6:46pm chresti: Thanks Jason!
	6:47pm P.Welles: ↳ Jason Koebler @6:46 good points
	6:47pm mechamaiko: Loved this interview, following 404 media now! Happy 300th Mark!
	🤖 6:47pm DjLorraine: Thanks Jason!
	6:47pm Rolando: @ Jason Koebler - Thank you. Your podcast looks interesting too. - Thank you again. "The Truth will set us Free."
	6:47pm biomurph: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:45 yeah, that's tough. there are folks making amazing creative work with AI and attributing. They should not be banned, but everyone should disclose their sources
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: Jason could be a recurring guest with articles like these!
	6:48pm P.Welles: Mark ROCKS too!
	🤖 6:48pm tim: ↳ Jason Koebler @6:46 Hey Jason! Thanks for the conversation!
	🤖 6:48pm Handy Haversack: Worker-owned journalism fits in well with the WFMU ethos as well.
	🤖 6:48pm Noir Lover: ↳ Jason Koebler @6:46 Great segment
	6:49pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Jason! proudly just became a monthly subscriber!
	6:49pm mateo: Thanks guys this was gret
	6:50pm Jason Koebler: ↳ chris in the redwoods @6:49 thank you!!
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ biomurph @6:47 I'm one of them ! MidJourney is my pal! Also I made this really crazy audio piece the other day: GPT-2 wrote it, eleven labs narrated it, Riffusion made up the music and singing: jhhl.net...
	6:50pm mechamaiko: Now I wanna rewatch The Wire.
	6:51pm Jason Koebler: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:50 wow this is really interesting. cool use of the tech, and not like a lot of AI music i've heard before
	6:53pm Old Dave: Say it, Preacher
	6:53pm P.Welles: bless you Mark
	6:53pm mechamaiko: We love u Mark! Go off!
	6:54pm biomurph: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:50 well good for you! have a safe and healthy relationship with your machine learning bot
	6:54pm JReganK: We need a Technology Bill of Rights Immediately!
	6:54pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:54pm tim: Thanks, Mark! We need you for 300 more!
	🤖 6:55pm Will thee Sound Guy: Been listening, great show Mark and Jason!!! Thank you!!!
	🤖 6:55pm Will thee Sound Guy: Happy 300 Mark Hurst!!!
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ biomurph @6:54 I've been doing generated / AI -ish art since the mid 70s!
	🤖 6:55pm Bas NL: Thanks and congrats for a great 300th edition of Techtonic Mark!
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: Happy 300th , Mark! too bad we didn't flag show #256, a computer friendly number!
	6:56pm JReganK: Thnx, Mark!
	6:56pm biomurph: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:55 omg, are you emeritis faculty at UCSD?
	6:56pm wenzo: Get off GooGoo?
	6:56pm P.Welles: lol!
	6:57pm biomurph: Happy 300 Mark!!
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ biomurph @6:56 Naww, but I used Pecan system / UCSD Pascal in the early 80s!
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: Googoo great show, thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: ↳ Song: "Eyes Everywhere" by "Why Bother?" Nice!!
	6:57pm mateo: 300 pearls from our treasure!!
	🤖 6:58pm tim: ↳ Song: "Eyes Everywhere" by "Why Bother?" Is this Mark E Smith’s death mask?
	6:58pm biomurph: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:57 go go Mr. Hamster! Hope to chat with you again!
	6:58pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:57 my second language. basic, of course, being first.
	6:59pm P-90: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm listener 126464: Thanks, Mark & Jason.
	6:59pm bleubombersune: Mark Thanks
	6:59pm Rolando: Thank you Mark, Jason and everyone in WFMU chat.
	7:00pm JReganK: ↳ tim @6:58 I think it is!
	🤖 7:09pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! Happy 300th!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 8, 2024

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January 8, 2024: Jason Koebler, from 404 Media, on cameras from a banned Chinese company

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Today: Jason Koebler, from 404 Media, on cameras from a banned Chinese company

• Happy 300th episode (hosted by Mark)!

• Abour our guest: Jason Koebler is a cofounder of 404 Media. He was previously the editor-in-chief of Motherboard. He loves the Freedom of Information Act and surfing.

• 404 Media, recently cofounded by Jason

• New Jersey Used COVID Relief Funds to Buy Banned Chinese Surveillance Cameras (by Jason Koebler in 404 Media, Jan 4, 2024): “Cameras sold to police throughout New Jersey were made by a banned Chinese company but were modified to have different colors and the company’s logo removed, court records show.”

• Facebook Is Being Overrun With Stolen, AI-Generated Images That People Think Are Real (by Jason Koebler in 404 Media, Dec 18, 2023): “Facebook is doing essentially nothing to help its users decipher real content from AI-generated content masquerading as real content, and that huge masses of Facebook users are completely unprepared for our AI-generated future.”

Relevant past shows

• On ALPRs (automated license plate readers): July 19, 2021 show with Jon Fasman, author, We See It All: Liberty and Justice in an Age of Perpetual Surveillance

• On the spread of facial recognition: October 30, 2023 show with Kashmir Hill, author, Your Face Belongs to Us: A Secretive Startup’s Quest to End Privacy as We Know It

• On surveillance in Xinjiang, China: April 22, 2019 show with NYT’s Paul Mozur

• On Uyghur oppression in Xinjiang: January 17, 2022 and December 19, 2022 shows with Darren Byler, author, In the Camps: China’s High-Tech Penal Colony

• On life in the Chinese prison state: June 7, 2021 show: Amelia Pang, author, Made in China: A Prisoner, an SOS Letter, and the Hidden Cost of America's Cheap Goods

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Artist	Track	Comments	Approx. start time
Jason Koebler, from 404 Media, on surveillance cams from a banned Chinese company
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with Jason Koebler "Interview with Jason Koebler"		0:05:03 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
	Mark's comments "Mark's comments"		0:42:26 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Why Bother?	Eyes Everywhere "Eyes Everywhere" by "Why Bother?"	thanks to Wendy from Wreck Your Own Adventure!	0:53:23 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🤖 5:59pm Handy Haversack: Hey, Mark, all.
	6:01pm Rolando: Good Morning All 😊
	🤖 6:01pm tim: Hello Mark “Give ‘em Hell” Hurst! Hello Handy and crew!
	🤖 6:02pm tim: ↳ Rolando @6:01 Where are you tuning in from, Rolando?
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: Happy new SURVEILLANCE year!
	6:04pm Rolando: @Tim - Sunshine Coast Australia 🏖️
	6:05pm P.Welles: Happy new year!
	6:05pm Adi from Sheffield: Good evening, seeing out the remains of the day before I go to sleep.
	6:05pm Sam: Congratulations on 300 shows!!
	6:06pm Sam: You should’ve saved this one for your 404th show, heh heh.
	🤖 6:06pm MarciB: Thanks to this show, I subscribe to 404 Media - and it's revelatory.
	🤖 6:06pm tim: ↳ Rolando @6:04 Cheers, mate! I’m tuning in from about 2 hours south of Chicago.
	🤖 6:08pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	6:08pm Rolando: Mark - I'm so sorry I have missed a number of shows. Then End of School Year, has been so busy, and could not fit it all in - Shame on me for allowing myself to get sucked into the busy season.
	🤖 6:09pm Handy Haversack: ↳ MarciB @6:06 Yes, great organization.
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: Handy, tim, Webham, Rolando, P.Welles, Adi, Sam, Marci - thanks for joining this evening!
	🤖 6:10pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all!
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Rolando @6:08 No worries, the archives are there for you :)
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Bas NL @6:10 Welcome, Bas!
	6:11pm chris in the redwoods: this is a great reminder for me to throw some coins in 404 media's tip jar. such a cool resource! and hello, Mark and everyone!
	6:11pm P.Welles: This show is a real public service
	6:12pm John: Mark — great to meet you Saturday night. Great show.
	6:12pm Rolando: @Tim - Current time in Queensland, Australia is GMT+10 so its 9:09AM on Tuesday here. So to Marks point earlier - welcoming future listeners to the show - That would be me 10 hours in the future. ⏱️
	🤖 6:13pm Bas NL: [Not Made In China]
	6:14pm Old Dave: Hey, does my Dollar Store "fake" surveillance cam with the impressive flashing red LED actually contain a battery powered camera in the smoked dome thingy? It was made in China...
	🤖 6:15pm tim: ↳ Rolando @6:12 Cool. Thanks for the info. I’m on hour behind New Jersey. It’s 5:13 pm here. You’re a man of the future and I’m behind the times.
	🤖 6:16pm tim: The greatest excuse of all time. “Well, I didn’t know!”
	6:16pm Mark Hurst: ↳ John @6:12 Nice meeting you, too, John! Thanks for joining this evening.
	6:17pm Rolando: Speaking generally - Australians view themselves as the lucky country and people so folks are very relaxed especially here in Queenland - Seldom complain - What this means now is that we have large (very tall poles) with cameras all along our freeway, they are popping up everywhere on the beaches, and coastal walks. There is basically nowhere we can avoid camera's and on one is complaining about it. - I find it somewhat concerning.
	6:17pm Mike Sin: Just read an article about this very topic in the NY Times last week... more than a $30 million deal.
	6:22pm Rolando: I plan to write to our local council to find out how long the data is stored, how it is being used, who has access to it. What data are they collection. Rupert Murdoch owns the almost the entire news network here ( as you know ) and well we get a lot of happy talk going on about how lucky we are. But boy oh boy they were nasty during covid restrictions, so it's not neutral at all. - (in my opinon). - it's the same excuse - here let me keep you SAFE. !!! I don't want to be SAFE - I want to be FREEE !!!!!
	🤖 6:22pm chresti: ↳ tim @6:16 "nobody told me!"
	🤖 6:24pm Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Rolando @6:22 Then when you're branded as a troublemaker, they'll put up five more cameras up on your street.
	🤖 6:24pm tim: ↳ chresti @6:22 Exactly! That’s an excuse a pickleball player would use!
	6:25pm just blaze: ↳ tim @6:24 i think you mean tennisito, formally known as pickleball
	🤖 6:26pm chresti: ↳ tim @6:24 That's right! They're a slippery bunch!
	6:26pm P.Welles: beyond the X Ray Specs
	6:28pm Rolando: Even Douglas Rushkoff in his most recent episode raised a eyebrow in the direction of Covid ... @Ken yes, and I'm in the country on 2 acres of land, and like you say just down the road is a camera at the corner, which means that I can't even leave the one - easily if lets say the wanted to keep a eye on me :) - luckily I'm a peaceful benevolent sort of person with a reasonable reputations but but even then they get it wrong - OFTEN and next thing you know you have a Black Flag / Black Balled sort of label.
	🤖 6:28pm tim: ↳ just blaze @6:25 Them too!
	🤖 6:30pm Bas NL: Location logging (24/7) was just removed from our company emergency response app. I got angry about it to the head of the service... :)
	6:31pm Sam: Polish trains designed to break…. Sounds like a bad joke.
	🤖 6:31pm tim: ↳ Bas NL @6:30 Good job, Bas!
	🤖 6:32pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Bas NL @6:30 They put in key cards for the first time at work, supplied by a very dodgy company that also of course has an app (which clearly I can't use). But I managed to convince the HR person to let me keep using a physical key instead. If it ain't broke ...
	6:33pm Rolando: Am I right in thinking this is the 404 Media website? www.404media.co
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Rolando @6:33 Yup.
	🤖 6:34pm Bas NL: ↳ tim @6:31 Data was stored for 34 months and could be requested any time by my employer.
	6:37pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Long time listener, occasional commenter. Hello Mark and everyone.
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @6:37 Hi Peter, thanks for joining!
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: ↳ Bas NL @6:34 Well worth raising a complaint - nice work!
	🤖 6:38pm Folsom: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:32 Our CEO is obsessed with percentage of people going into the office, he puts tables of different offices that shows how many people show up on his internal meetings.
	🤖 6:39pm tim: ↳ Bas NL @6:34 They have no business with that information about you.
	🤖 6:41pm Bas NL: One could hire a lock box at a local music hall. 'Scan the QR code and you get a 4 euro access code through your gmail (a gmail account could be made for free in one go. Well.... no. The service desk grouchily offered an option. I could pay 2 euro by direct debit card for a locker. I payed and she gave a 2 euro coin.. 'It's for those old lockers in the back.'
	🤖 6:41pm Webhamster Henry: We need a "verified robot" badge!
	🤖 6:41pm tim: Would Facebook shut down the group on fb that’s tracking the ai images?
	🤖 6:43pm Handy Haversack: ↳ tim @6:41 Well, they won't shut down pedophile image-sharing groups, but if the AI-detecting ones threatened their bottom line ...
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: Any thing that looks "too good to be true" is in fact too good to be true.
	6:43pm Jason Koebler: Hey everyone! This is Jason at 404 - thanks so much for listening. I'm around if you have any specific questions
	🤖 6:43pm chresti: They use AI to create regurgitated content? Will they continue when no live person is on facebook?
	6:44pm Rolando: I've managed to avoid AI - but increasingly I'm feeling the pressure. So for example I'd like a good voice to text app, bit guess what they all use Whisper !!! so what do we do? in the end we are going to be pushed into using BSD / Linux and hanging out on SDF.org which is one of the last vestiges of technology freedom.
	6:44pm Mark Hurst: Hey Jason, thanks for joining! And thanks for this great interview.
	6:44pm Jason Koebler: Sorry I'm late :]
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Jason Koebler @6:43 Really respect 404's ethos and methodology, Jason! Thanks for being here.
	🤖 6:45pm Webhamster Henry: There's a movement in the comix creator community to ban or at least isolate ML-assisted/created artist booths at comic-cons.
	🤖 6:45pm Bas NL: ↳ Jason Koebler @6:44 Hello and thanks Jason!
	6:46pm Jason Koebler: Everyone who listened, thank you so much, it means a lot. I can't wait to go back through all the previous Techntonic episodes - Mark is a national treasure!
	🤖 6:46pm chresti: Thanks Jason!
	6:47pm P.Welles: ↳ Jason Koebler @6:46 good points
	6:47pm mechamaiko: Loved this interview, following 404 media now! Happy 300th Mark!
	🤖 6:47pm DjLorraine: Thanks Jason!
	6:47pm Rolando: @ Jason Koebler - Thank you. Your podcast looks interesting too. - Thank you again. "The Truth will set us Free."
	6:47pm biomurph: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:45 yeah, that's tough. there are folks making amazing creative work with AI and attributing. They should not be banned, but everyone should disclose their sources
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: Jason could be a recurring guest with articles like these!
	6:48pm P.Welles: Mark ROCKS too!
	🤖 6:48pm tim: ↳ Jason Koebler @6:46 Hey Jason! Thanks for the conversation!
	🤖 6:48pm Handy Haversack: Worker-owned journalism fits in well with the WFMU ethos as well.
	🤖 6:48pm Noir Lover: ↳ Jason Koebler @6:46 Great segment
	6:49pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Jason! proudly just became a monthly subscriber!
	6:49pm mateo: Thanks guys this was gret
	6:50pm Jason Koebler: ↳ chris in the redwoods @6:49 thank you!!
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ biomurph @6:47 I'm one of them ! MidJourney is my pal! Also I made this really crazy audio piece the other day: GPT-2 wrote it, eleven labs narrated it, Riffusion made up the music and singing: jhhl.net...
	6:50pm mechamaiko: Now I wanna rewatch The Wire.
	6:51pm Jason Koebler: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:50 wow this is really interesting. cool use of the tech, and not like a lot of AI music i've heard before
	6:53pm Old Dave: Say it, Preacher
	6:53pm P.Welles: bless you Mark
	6:53pm mechamaiko: We love u Mark! Go off!
	6:54pm biomurph: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:50 well good for you! have a safe and healthy relationship with your machine learning bot
	6:54pm JReganK: We need a Technology Bill of Rights Immediately!
	6:54pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:54pm tim: Thanks, Mark! We need you for 300 more!
	🤖 6:55pm Will thee Sound Guy: Been listening, great show Mark and Jason!!! Thank you!!!
	🤖 6:55pm Will thee Sound Guy: Happy 300 Mark Hurst!!!
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ biomurph @6:54 I've been doing generated / AI -ish art since the mid 70s!
	🤖 6:55pm Bas NL: Thanks and congrats for a great 300th edition of Techtonic Mark!
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: Happy 300th , Mark! too bad we didn't flag show #256, a computer friendly number!
	6:56pm JReganK: Thnx, Mark!
	6:56pm biomurph: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:55 omg, are you emeritis faculty at UCSD?
	6:56pm wenzo: Get off GooGoo?
	6:56pm P.Welles: lol!
	6:57pm biomurph: Happy 300 Mark!!
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ biomurph @6:56 Naww, but I used Pecan system / UCSD Pascal in the early 80s!
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: Googoo great show, thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: ↳ Song: "Eyes Everywhere" by "Why Bother?" Nice!!
	6:57pm mateo: 300 pearls from our treasure!!
	🤖 6:58pm tim: ↳ Song: "Eyes Everywhere" by "Why Bother?" Is this Mark E Smith’s death mask?
	6:58pm biomurph: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:57 go go Mr. Hamster! Hope to chat with you again!
	6:58pm chris in the redwoods: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:57 my second language. basic, of course, being first.
	6:59pm P-90: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm listener 126464: Thanks, Mark & Jason.
	6:59pm bleubombersune: Mark Thanks
	6:59pm Rolando: Thank you Mark, Jason and everyone in WFMU chat.
	7:00pm JReganK: ↳ tim @6:58 I think it is!
	🤖 7:09pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! Happy 300th!

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