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August 12, 2024: Google antitrust decision party
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Today: Google antitrust decision party
We’re throwing a party on Techtonic to celebrate the biggest tech news in over 20 years: the antitrust lawsuit has been decided, and Google is now officially an illegal monopoly. Welcome to the party! Mark will explain what it all means, if you can hear him above the cheers and the dance music.
“After having carefully considered and weighed the witness testimony and evidence, the court reaches the following conclusion: Google is a monopolist, and it has acted as one to maintain its monopoly. . . . It has violated Section 2 of the Sherman Act.” –Judge Amit Mehta
• ‘Google Is a Monopolist,’ Judge Rules in Landmark Antitrust Case (by David McCabe, NYT, Aug 5, 2024)
• Google has an illegal monopoly on search, judge rules (by Brian Fung and Clare Duffy, CNN, Aug 6, 2024)
• Judge Rules Google Is a Monopolist (by Matt Stoller, BIG, Aug 6, 2024)
• Now that Google is a monopolist, what’s next? (by Jay Peters, The Verge, Aug 6, 2024)
• The Google antitrust remedy should extinguish surveillance, not democratize it (by Cory Doctorow, Aug 7, 2024)
. . . drawing from the above sources, we learn:
• Biggest tech news in over 20 years, since Microsoft's DOJ antitrust trial (1998-2000). Microsoft lost, then appealed in 2001, and the government settled in 2001.
• This Google case was brought about by the Department of Justice (the antitrust division is led by Jonathan Kanter) and a coalition of states.
• Google was found to be a monopoly for several reasons, one of which is the enormous amount Google pays Apple every year to be the default search on iPhones and iPads.
• Allegations of destroying evidence (even Microsoft didn’t do that)
• Next step is remedy proceedings. The eventual remedy could be anything from tiny ("please don't do that again") to medium (injunction against bribing Apple for iOS default) to huge (breakup of the company). Let's hope for a breakup!
• Google will almost certainly appeal, which could take years to resolve. It could go to the Supreme Court. At any point the government could end the case with a settlement.
• Meantime Google is facing a separate lawsuit, also brought by the DOJ and several states, for antitrust behavior in Google ads. The trial starts next month.
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| JARC |
Move On Up
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| Pookiesnackenburger |
Just One Cornetto
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| Har-You Percussion Group |
Welcome to the Party
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| Hot 8 Brass Band |
shake your body (down to the ground)
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| Buffalo MC |
Stop and Bust a Move
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| Anders Enger Jensen |
Jump (For My Love) Mega Jump Version
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| Green Leaves |
Yatta
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Listener comments!
Sam:
ultradamno:
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Nikita:
_Ike_:
tom tom the pipers son:
herb.nyc:
Ken From Hyde Park:
Greg from ZONE 5:
ultradamno:
mndave:
DanFA:
morphe':
14 hours of Project 2025 "Training Videos" leaked .... finad all via Democracy Now link..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx3tIR7C-pM
queems:
JohnEBGood:
joe mulligan:
tim:
sinner:
Handy Haversack:
Wendy del Formaggio:
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tim:
Yes:
mackeral:
Handy Haversack:
tim:
MarciB:
morphe':
my guess ...
backyard with a nice bev ... cats in the bathroom window changing the dial on the bathroom not boom box ... RadioHound is under the table with the Martian/Alien Dildo chew toy ...
tim:
sinner:
coelacanth∅:
what's "going to be done"?
my guess is - nothing.
...nothing of consequence to gobble.
tom tom the pipers son:
Marie in Chicago:
Marie in Chicago:
Webhamster Henry:
coelacanth∅:
the pharmaceutical industry, energy, internet, phone, household products, etc.
Will thee SG OCNY:
DanFA:
Yes:
Bas NL:
morphe':
JohnEBGood:
Ken From Hyde Park:
zigg:
Peter from Saranac Lake NY:
Bas NL:
DjLorraine:
Handy Haversack:
morphe':
morphe':
Google loses to the Justice Department in major anti-trust lawsuit ...
Sam:
Ken From Hyde Park:
David K.:
Sam:
gabriel:
morphe':
Feldy:
A➡B:
HOORAH!!! Let the party begin!
Also, earlier today, Spacebrother Greg Bishop just played a track that's very suitable as an outro for this show (although it would've been more appropriate to play over 10 years ago when ⛺♏⛺7_⭕♑ was the Big Bully of the day):
https://www.wfmu.org/flashplayer.php?version=3&show=142937&archive=257076&starttime=0:44:47
chresti:
yippie:
Avspuk:
Google will donate massively to both parties, appeal the decision & not be broken up. It won't need to go to Scotus.
Hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Only after a massive 1929 style crash will there be any significant reform.
Sorry to be a party-pooper & I love Mark's show & I so want him to be right
chresti:
Marie in Chicago:
Bas NL:
Yes:
Handy Haversack:
Deano de los Muertos:
DjLorraine:
morphe':
A➡B:
Marie in Chicago:
joe_rosevear:
morphe':
By Foo Yun Chee and Benoit Van Overstraeten
January 11, 202411:19 PM GMT+1Updated 7 months ago
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mackeral:
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Bootsie:
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erik:
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Bootsie:
ledzeppelinsucks:
Marie in Chicago:
morphe':
Danny in Poughkeepsie:
JohnEBGood:
A➡B:
ledzeppelinsucks:
Handy Haversack:
A➡B:
morphe':
saw/heard her many times so normal and decent and super intelligent ..
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/09/lina-khan-federal-trade-commission-antitrust-monopolies
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Sam:
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Thanks, Mark!
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