WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 13, 2019

Listener comments!
	5:57pm listener james from westwood: Looks like a healthy-sized book! Which I guess bodes ill for escaping surveillance capitalism.
	6:02pm ultradamno: Hello Mark, techronitors!
	6:02pm queems: howdy
	6:03pm Ike: Greetings, humans, cats, dogs, aardvarks, and streetside wi-fi cameras!
	6:03pm annie: yep!!
	6:04pm Phillippe Bastille: Hey all.
	6:04pm Greg from ZONE 5: Evening, Mark and all!
	🤖 6:04pm chresti: Hi Mark and Techtonians
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Welcome T3kt0n1k1575!
	🤖 6:04pm Bas NL: Hi Mark!
	🤖 6:05pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and technopeepers!
	6:06pm melinda: Hi Techron’s
	6:07pm melinda: Techtons, not Techrons
	6:08pm Beast of Boonton: Techtonic: The rise and fall of social media
	6:08pm Fuzzy: A New World Odor -- cue up the Ministry!
	6:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: One of the 1st things I ever knew about Zuck: him saying 'Privacy is overrated.'
	6:10pm ultradamno: When he said the future is private are we sure he didn't mean it's none of our business?
	🤖 6:10pm Ken From Hyde Park: @Fuzzy - "We're not about to make that same mistake twice."
	6:11pm paul b: Yes! I already own this book, and second the recommendation and coverage of it. To be sure (as your photo indicates) it is a big book.
	6:11pm annie: just found a ralph nader show covering this; from january
	6:11pm TDK60: Hello.
	🤖 6:14pm Ken From Hyde Park: Just logged into the library system to request a copy of the book. I am one of sixteen on the list.
	6:15pm Greg from ZONE 5: Aww, a co-worker currently has her art up on those things. I'm not gonna tell her they're spying on us.
	🤖 6:16pm Folsom: @Greg why not?
	6:16pm queems: yeah that's too many
	6:16pm TDK60: ..back in the '90s there was a NYC street theater group that protested at surveillance camera sites.
	6:18pm ultradamno: "Is he insane? Facebook will hear him": www.theonion.com...
	6:18pm queems: cool, i'm ready for my panic attack
	6:18pm gdebord: Imagine some of those 30 sensors being experimental olfactory sensors. Try hiding from the sniffing surveillance towers! Data profiles that include your scents and pheromones. No good.
	🤖 6:18pm chresti: They're harvesting data for AI?
	🤖 6:19pm Folsom: Mark, any word from Michael Chertoff?
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: Hi everyone! Thanks for joining on the accu this evening.
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: @Folsom, unfortunately, no.. I tried!
	🤖 6:23pm Ken From Hyde Park: How did movie night turn out? I wasn't able to make it this year.
	6:23pm listener james from westwood: Oh, jeez, remember the "behavioral futures market" they wanted to start during GWB/Iraq II?
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: Went well, good group & good Q&A afterward!
	6:27pm Beast of Boonton: Why is she whistling?
	6:27pm Mark Hurst: Skype compression artifacts, unfortunately
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Skype is owned by Microsoft! Use Appear.in or zoom.us!
	6:29pm Mark Hurst: True
	6:29pm coelacanth∅: hello Mark & all
	6:33pm Beast of Boonton: skype sux too
	6:33pm annie: it pisses me off that youtube is owned by google..YT is is becoming such a mess of terrible selections, even just in the last few weeks.
	6:34pm annie: thanks Webhamster, i'm going to try those two..
	🤖 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: YT's suggestions and related videos and search have been embarrassing for its entire existence.
	6:37pm Johnzon: at first I thought she was saying shadow tax... made just as much sense. giving up our information/privacy is a tax we pay for the "service"
	6:39pm Mark Hurst: "Shadow text"
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: Fb & Google could do "tarot readings" based on their idea of you based on your data correlated with models built out of everyone else's data.
	🤖 6:41pm chresti: They can have gypsy wagons at carnivals@Web Henry
	6:44pm annie: yeah, henry, it's such a joke..i know what i want to see and they continuously sidestep my searches..
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The Digital realm jumped the Bill of Rights. We don't own ourselves.
	6:45pm annie: exactly RR
	6:47pm Linda Lee: wouldn't you know it ~ postmodern totalitarianism is just about profit. evil becomes ever more banal!
	6:48pm annie: even though DD Go is annoying, i've been suggesting changes they can make to keep me from adding the G back to my search engine selections.
	6:48pm fullmetalmonkey: Wow this is a good interview. I could listen to her talk for hours. Great Show.
	6:48pm Linda Lee: we own ourselves only inasfar as we don't require commerce. we often don't.
	6:49pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, fullmetalmonkey! She was great to speak with. Highly recommend reading her book.
	🤖 6:49pm chresti: I'm imagining a recorded conversations in cars bank.
	6:50pm annie: thank you SO much mark!...
	6:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @LL: I don't throw a dime - but facebook owns content & enables my community...
	6:51pm Linda Lee: we'll be saved by re-discovering our own imagination. watch!
	6:51pm annie: yess!!! ^^^
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: Hi folks! There's even more data that can be picked up - while navigating a website, some activity monitors track your mouse moves as well as clicks to make heat maps of what parts of the site are "attractive" and how long it takes to get to that "call to action" (a button to do something like buy something).
	6:52pm Linda Lee: yuh .. but i also know real people who don't use fb. so we can definitely do without that. if you & i wish to communicate outside the platform, we can.
	6:53pm fullmetalmonkey: I'm definitely buying this book. Totally fascinating.
	6:53pm Linda Lee: imagination! see?
	6:54pm coelacanth∅: i'd put money,Lots of money (so i make more on the bet) on internet suppliers gathering data also (ie optimum)
	6:54pm annie: i'm thinking of this huge Bernie rally here in asheville this friday..so much FB is being used to bring people in.
	6:55pm Snoochienucci: Great show as always! I will be grabbing that book asap
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: There's that Fb "profile device" that moves around watching you like a Twonky.
	6:56pm annie: i'm going to listen to the ralph nader interview, too
	🤖 6:57pm Folsom: @annie I can't figure out why bands and stores uses FB to organize shows, meetings, sales, etc. In the past you would go to their website, now they offload everything FB.
	6:57pm Sam: Wow Mark, Killer show!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark Thanks Shoshana!
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: That is "the Portal"!
	6:57pm dale: a flat earther group is funding a huge antenna array at wbcq in monticello maine.
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: (and read "1984")
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Phillippe Bastille: Thanks Mark
	6:58pm ultradamno: I remember them from when they sounded a lot more like The Clash.
	6:58pm annie: wow,dale
	6:58pm melinda: Great show, I'll definitely watch the flat earther doc.
	6:58pm ultradamno: "Guns of Revolution" was their big song then.
	6:59pm dale: soon shortwave will be filled with more brother stair and flat earth chatter.
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: We'll see how China goes...
	6:59pm annie: SW will alwaysbe evolving
	7:00pm Linda Lee: late to the party, Mark, but i'll be back! thanks for speaking with Ms Zuboff!
	7:00pm Sam: Everybody on this comments board is now on Google’s enemies list, by the way.
	7:00pm Linda Lee: we'll see if permitted!
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: @Folsom Fb is where the people are! The means for a company to reach customers is always shifting around. Newspapers that everyone read, radio and tv that everyone listened to and watched, email, social media, and now messaging and home appliances. I'm surprised Alexa et al don't just throw ads at you randomly all day like websites and apps do that you've foolishly allow to notify you "occasionally".
	🤖 7:01pm chresti: Right!
	7:01pm dale: went to get a new dumb phone ysterday and i was informed verizon's network wouldn't be supporting them much longer. had to go android.
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone - let's keep the conversation going. See you next week.
	🤖 7:02pm Webhamster Henry: I guess I'll have to get that book! She's really on point! Thanks!
	7:02pm Sam: Alexa is still new so they can’t make it annoying yet. Once everyone has one and you can’t live without it, the ads will start.
	🤖 7:02pm chresti: dale, do you have a scanner?
	🤖 7:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: There will someday be a Facebook equivalent for pets. Why would they not try that?
	7:04pm Fuzzy: Degoogled Android = LineageOS
	7:04pm dale: chresti - not other than an hp printer/scanner/fax
	5:17am jamesie: Shoshana signed my copy at the ICA in London. I am writing my theses for MFA Computational Art on surveillance. Truly the right person at the right time. Let's hope her work is not left in the bargain bins in 2 years time when the obsession wears off.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 13, 2019

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May 13, 2019: Shoshana Zuboff, author, "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism"

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This week: Shoshana Zuboff, author, "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power"

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Pointers:

• Shoshana Zuboff on Twitter: @shoshanazuboff - author of The Age of Surveillance Capitalism and professor emerita of Harvard Business School. She was one of the first tenured female professors at HBS.

Source: Matt Stoller, May 13

• Google CEO Sundar Pichai's NYT op-ed (May 7): "To make privacy real, we give you clear, meaningful choices around your data. All while staying true to two unequivocal policies: that Google will never sell any personal information to third parties; and that you get to decide how your information is used. . . . a small subset of data helps serve ads that are relevant and that provide the revenue that keeps Google products free and accessible. [Mark notes: this is the data necessary for service improvement and largely irrelevant to Google's surveillance-and-control model.] That revenue also sustains a broad community of content creators, which in turn helps keep content on the web free for everyone. [Mark notes: just like flat-earth YouTubers!]"

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Shoshana Zuboff's new book "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" describes why Google, Facebook, and other Big Tech companies are so obsessed with spying on every moment of your life. Surveillance is only part of the agenda: what they're really building is a system of predicting and controlling your behavior.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	Machinarium Soundtrack	No label
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with Shoshana Zuboff, Part 1			0:14:44 (Pop-up)
	Interview with Shoshana Zuboff, Part 2			0:35:08 (Pop-up)
Red Rockers	China "China" by "Red Rockers"	Good as Gold	Columbia	0:53:45 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	5:57pm listener james from westwood: Looks like a healthy-sized book! Which I guess bodes ill for escaping surveillance capitalism.
	6:02pm ultradamno: Hello Mark, techronitors!
	6:02pm queems: howdy
	6:03pm Ike: Greetings, humans, cats, dogs, aardvarks, and streetside wi-fi cameras!
	6:03pm annie: yep!!
	6:04pm Phillippe Bastille: Hey all.
	6:04pm Greg from ZONE 5: Evening, Mark and all!
	🤖 6:04pm chresti: Hi Mark and Techtonians
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Welcome T3kt0n1k1575!
	🤖 6:04pm Bas NL: Hi Mark!
	🤖 6:05pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and technopeepers!
	6:06pm melinda: Hi Techron’s
	6:07pm melinda: Techtons, not Techrons
	6:08pm Beast of Boonton: Techtonic: The rise and fall of social media
	6:08pm Fuzzy: A New World Odor -- cue up the Ministry!
	6:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: One of the 1st things I ever knew about Zuck: him saying 'Privacy is overrated.'
	6:10pm ultradamno: When he said the future is private are we sure he didn't mean it's none of our business?
	🤖 6:10pm Ken From Hyde Park: @Fuzzy - "We're not about to make that same mistake twice."
	6:11pm paul b: Yes! I already own this book, and second the recommendation and coverage of it. To be sure (as your photo indicates) it is a big book.
	6:11pm annie: just found a ralph nader show covering this; from january
	6:11pm TDK60: Hello.
	🤖 6:14pm Ken From Hyde Park: Just logged into the library system to request a copy of the book. I am one of sixteen on the list.
	6:15pm Greg from ZONE 5: Aww, a co-worker currently has her art up on those things. I'm not gonna tell her they're spying on us.
	🤖 6:16pm Folsom: @Greg why not?
	6:16pm queems: yeah that's too many
	6:16pm TDK60: ..back in the '90s there was a NYC street theater group that protested at surveillance camera sites.
	6:18pm ultradamno: "Is he insane? Facebook will hear him": www.theonion.com...
	6:18pm queems: cool, i'm ready for my panic attack
	6:18pm gdebord: Imagine some of those 30 sensors being experimental olfactory sensors. Try hiding from the sniffing surveillance towers! Data profiles that include your scents and pheromones. No good.
	🤖 6:18pm chresti: They're harvesting data for AI?
	🤖 6:19pm Folsom: Mark, any word from Michael Chertoff?
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: Hi everyone! Thanks for joining on the accu this evening.
	6:21pm Mark Hurst: @Folsom, unfortunately, no.. I tried!
	🤖 6:23pm Ken From Hyde Park: How did movie night turn out? I wasn't able to make it this year.
	6:23pm listener james from westwood: Oh, jeez, remember the "behavioral futures market" they wanted to start during GWB/Iraq II?
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: Went well, good group & good Q&A afterward!
	6:27pm Beast of Boonton: Why is she whistling?
	6:27pm Mark Hurst: Skype compression artifacts, unfortunately
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Skype is owned by Microsoft! Use Appear.in or zoom.us!
	6:29pm Mark Hurst: True
	6:29pm coelacanth∅: hello Mark & all
	6:33pm Beast of Boonton: skype sux too
	6:33pm annie: it pisses me off that youtube is owned by google..YT is is becoming such a mess of terrible selections, even just in the last few weeks.
	6:34pm annie: thanks Webhamster, i'm going to try those two..
	🤖 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: YT's suggestions and related videos and search have been embarrassing for its entire existence.
	6:37pm Johnzon: at first I thought she was saying shadow tax... made just as much sense. giving up our information/privacy is a tax we pay for the "service"
	6:39pm Mark Hurst: "Shadow text"
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: Fb & Google could do "tarot readings" based on their idea of you based on your data correlated with models built out of everyone else's data.
	🤖 6:41pm chresti: They can have gypsy wagons at carnivals@Web Henry
	6:44pm annie: yeah, henry, it's such a joke..i know what i want to see and they continuously sidestep my searches..
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The Digital realm jumped the Bill of Rights. We don't own ourselves.
	6:45pm annie: exactly RR
	6:47pm Linda Lee: wouldn't you know it ~ postmodern totalitarianism is just about profit. evil becomes ever more banal!
	6:48pm annie: even though DD Go is annoying, i've been suggesting changes they can make to keep me from adding the G back to my search engine selections.
	6:48pm fullmetalmonkey: Wow this is a good interview. I could listen to her talk for hours. Great Show.
	6:48pm Linda Lee: we own ourselves only inasfar as we don't require commerce. we often don't.
	6:49pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, fullmetalmonkey! She was great to speak with. Highly recommend reading her book.
	🤖 6:49pm chresti: I'm imagining a recorded conversations in cars bank.
	6:50pm annie: thank you SO much mark!...
	6:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @LL: I don't throw a dime - but facebook owns content & enables my community...
	6:51pm Linda Lee: we'll be saved by re-discovering our own imagination. watch!
	6:51pm annie: yess!!! ^^^
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: Hi folks! There's even more data that can be picked up - while navigating a website, some activity monitors track your mouse moves as well as clicks to make heat maps of what parts of the site are "attractive" and how long it takes to get to that "call to action" (a button to do something like buy something).
	6:52pm Linda Lee: yuh .. but i also know real people who don't use fb. so we can definitely do without that. if you & i wish to communicate outside the platform, we can.
	6:53pm fullmetalmonkey: I'm definitely buying this book. Totally fascinating.
	6:53pm Linda Lee: imagination! see?
	6:54pm coelacanth∅: i'd put money,Lots of money (so i make more on the bet) on internet suppliers gathering data also (ie optimum)
	6:54pm annie: i'm thinking of this huge Bernie rally here in asheville this friday..so much FB is being used to bring people in.
	6:55pm Snoochienucci: Great show as always! I will be grabbing that book asap
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: There's that Fb "profile device" that moves around watching you like a Twonky.
	6:56pm annie: i'm going to listen to the ralph nader interview, too
	🤖 6:57pm Folsom: @annie I can't figure out why bands and stores uses FB to organize shows, meetings, sales, etc. In the past you would go to their website, now they offload everything FB.
	6:57pm Sam: Wow Mark, Killer show!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark Thanks Shoshana!
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: That is "the Portal"!
	6:57pm dale: a flat earther group is funding a huge antenna array at wbcq in monticello maine.
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: (and read "1984")
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Phillippe Bastille: Thanks Mark
	6:58pm ultradamno: I remember them from when they sounded a lot more like The Clash.
	6:58pm annie: wow,dale
	6:58pm melinda: Great show, I'll definitely watch the flat earther doc.
	6:58pm ultradamno: "Guns of Revolution" was their big song then.
	6:59pm dale: soon shortwave will be filled with more brother stair and flat earth chatter.
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: We'll see how China goes...
	6:59pm annie: SW will alwaysbe evolving
	7:00pm Linda Lee: late to the party, Mark, but i'll be back! thanks for speaking with Ms Zuboff!
	7:00pm Sam: Everybody on this comments board is now on Google’s enemies list, by the way.
	7:00pm Linda Lee: we'll see if permitted!
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: @Folsom Fb is where the people are! The means for a company to reach customers is always shifting around. Newspapers that everyone read, radio and tv that everyone listened to and watched, email, social media, and now messaging and home appliances. I'm surprised Alexa et al don't just throw ads at you randomly all day like websites and apps do that you've foolishly allow to notify you "occasionally".
	🤖 7:01pm chresti: Right!
	7:01pm dale: went to get a new dumb phone ysterday and i was informed verizon's network wouldn't be supporting them much longer. had to go android.
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone - let's keep the conversation going. See you next week.
	🤖 7:02pm Webhamster Henry: I guess I'll have to get that book! She's really on point! Thanks!
	7:02pm Sam: Alexa is still new so they can’t make it annoying yet. Once everyone has one and you can’t live without it, the ads will start.
	🤖 7:02pm chresti: dale, do you have a scanner?
	🤖 7:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: There will someday be a Facebook equivalent for pets. Why would they not try that?
	7:04pm Fuzzy: Degoogled Android = LineageOS
	7:04pm dale: chresti - not other than an hp printer/scanner/fax
	5:17am jamesie: Shoshana signed my copy at the ICA in London. I am writing my theses for MFA Computational Art on surveillance. Truly the right person at the right time. Let's hope her work is not left in the bargain bins in 2 years time when the obsession wears off.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 13, 2019

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