WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from November 23, 2020

Listener comments!
	6:00pm David in London: Evening Technoids. Hi Mark.
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtermatologists!
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark and friends!
	6:04pm David in London: Ultradamno, high five. Webhamster, yo.
	6:04pm Fuzzy: Hola technoamigos! That Philip Michaels tweet is great!
	🤖 6:04pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Bigtechtonic lovers!
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: You have to mention this Spotify Onion article: www.theonion.com...
	6:05pm Ignatatus666: I wish we could share this program much easier I wish I could have it play on my FB homepage the way we were able to do on MySpace in the past.
	6:05pm ultradamno: Hiya DiL!
	6:06pm Ignatatus666: What’s up Tonic Teckies
	🤖 6:06pm tim from champaign (now washington): Looking forward to this show today. I'm on a anti-Spotify rampage!
	6:06pm spodiodi: hi Mark Hurst and everyone
	6:07pm spodiodi: i've never used it
	🤖 6:07pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyons! Sorry we're late. Had to feed the neighbors' cat. ultradamno, David, hello!
	6:07pm ultradamno: Hey Handy!
	6:07pm Dan Cashin: Everyone leave FB for the open-source option- I think it's out there but not off the ground ????
	6:07pm David in London: Hey a Spod.
	6:08pm David in London: The Wisdom of Solomon. And I should know... Hey Handy.
	6:09pm melinda: hi all!
	6:09pm ultradamno: He'd be the ZZ Top member that makes them too creeped out to finish playing Legs.
	6:11pm Ignatatus666: @Dan Many of my friends are weaning off FB and going to Parler and another site.
	6:11pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:12pm spodiodi: hi David, Handy, ultrad, Bas, Fuzzy, tim, Webhamster Henry, Melinda, Dan, 666, james!
	6:12pm ultradamno: Hi Spodi!
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: Hi, everyone! @Webham, good pick - that article is already on the playlist at left :)
	6:12pm ultradamno: Is Tidal still a thing?
	🤖 6:15pm tim from champaign (now washington): Yeah, that dude with the beard. If he showed up to a ZZ Top practice. They'd send him out to pick up barbecue in the next town which just happened to be 400 miles away.
	🤖 6:16pm Ken From Hyde Park: Good evening, Mark, Good evening, spodifi.
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: Hi Ken! And Tim, Spodi, ultra, James,Igna,Melinda, DiL,Dan, Handy,Bas,Webham!
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: I'm a bandcamper - my son has about 24 albums on there too!
	6:20pm Ignatatus666: That’s great Henry I love how they have specials where all the money goes to the Artists.
	6:20pm spodiodi: hi KenFHP!
	🤖 6:20pm tim from champaign (now washington): Spotify has more than music?
	6:20pm ultradamno: I like chunky jazz for the commute
	🤖 6:23pm tim from champaign (now washington): In last week's show, one of the people the authors of the Silcon Valley book interviewed a Storyteller. What is a Story Teller?
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: Last time I had a job that paid me a salary, it was for a company that used Spotify playlists combined with live voiceover to make a kind of radio station. I wasn't too happy with their API, and also, of course, you had to have a premium account to be able to play things you wanted to hear.
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: @Tim I think it's a glorified title for what used to be called a PR manager, or perhaps a "marketing communications" person.
	6:25pm Dean: @tim from champaign (now washington): iirc, the person did PR for a SV company, i.e., s/he framed the company in terms of stories, narratives that promote the company's profile.
	6:26pm Dean: There you go^
	🤖 6:27pm tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks, Mark and Dean.
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: ... The good thing was I'd use my own band's music as some of music to play for testing purposes.
	6:31pm Dean: Way back in 2006, old fashioned English professor Richard Lanham published The Economics of Attention: Style and Substance in the Age of Information. He's been writing about this sort of thing for ages. Not super techie, but good background from the Humanities. https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/468828.html
	🤖 6:32pm tim from champaign (now washington): At the risk of sounding like a snob, it seems like spotify is a platform for people who don't really like music but want it on as a background.
	6:33pm David in London: Not ‘false data as a prelude to channel shift’ shocker! Vinyl is dead. Remember that everyone. Oh, hang on a minute...
	6:33pm Earthwalker: Dump Goggle Go DuckDuckGo !
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: @ultra good name for us
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: @Bas I also liked "Bigtechtonic lovers"
	6:34pm Mark Hurst: @Tim do a DuckDuckGo search for Kyle Chayka (recent Techtonic guest) writing last week about how Netflix seems to be creating intentionally mediocre shows that just serve, essentially, as video wallpaper
	6:35pm David in London: “It’s creepy and I don’t like it.” A catchphrase for the age. Can we have that on the Techtonic 2021 Marathon Premium t-shirt please Mark?
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: @DiL good idea. Just need a good graphic to go along with it.............!
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: Which, Mark, seems like an extension of the decades-long antilabor move of capital. If you can pay workers less, make a crappier product, but then also commodify the customers? You have won capitalism.
	6:36pm melinda: someone meowed
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: Not the first meow of the interview!
	🤖 6:36pm tim from champaign (now washington): Hmmm, I'd like to make of playlist on some of my favorites on Spotify: Flipper, The Germs, Drunks With Guns, Throbbing Gristle, etc to see who my profile gets sold to. Hopefully, a cash only sketchy liquor store.
	🤖 6:37pm tim from champaign (now washington): I'll check that out Mark.
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: @Handy I think that's fair... the question that keeps coming up on the show is "is it new"... which gets into semantics, whether this is actually a new form of capitalism or just a gradual evolution of what came before.
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: (past guests have argued both sides.)
	6:38pm Dean: I recall a graphic-free t-shirt, c.1990, that read simply: I saw! I know! You disgust me.
	6:38pm David in London: Tim. Drunks With Guns will always be a radio friendly unit shifter...
	6:38pm ultradamno: I think this is a more reasonable implant than Citrix's www.pinterest.com...
	6:38pm spodiodi: lol Dean. nice
	6:40pm ultradamno: Don't forget The Mentors and GG!
	6:40pm Dean: Happy Flowers
	6:41pm ultradamno: SOLGER!
	6:41pm David in London: A Flux of Pink Indians.
	🤖 6:42pm Handy Haversack: I hear you, Mark. And I think that one issue also is, well, phones. I mean, I don't use one, as you know, and I never see an ad. Not that I'm not sold as much as anyone else, but my internet experience is completely ad-free. I assume that is not possible when one is using FB or IG or Twitter apps on a phone? If 100 percent of people just blocked all ads -- and refused to traffic sites (like many newspapers) that demand that you turn off ad blockers, would we ... win?
	6:42pm ultradamno: Blight, Kilslug...I'm loving this playlist.
	6:42pm Earthwalker: Capitalism money in the hands of the few Drop Facebook Boycott amazon
	6:43pm David in London: Controlled Bleeding. Hey Earth Walker.
	6:43pm Niall: This is pretty intense; I think I didn't get to listen to it much back when I lived stateside, but it squares nicely with my politics and similar programs on Resonance FM in London.
	6:44pm Niall: Thanks for this show, @Mark Hurst.
	6:44pm spodiodi: thanks, Shoshana Wodinsky nice interview, Mark
	6:46pm ultradamno: I have found Dark Sky is unbeatable for telling you the weather just as it's happening, before...what are they, psychic?
	6:46pm Dean: NON (early) Unsustainable Social Condition SPK (early)
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: I can't wait until 23AndMe is mined for selling drugs to people with genetic charateristics that haven't manifested yet.
	🤖 6:46pm tim from champaign (now washington): Good interview. I liked hearing the agreement and disagreement between Shoshana and Mark.
	6:46pm ultradamno: UNS! NO! Mars!
	6:47pm ultradamno: Boy Dirt Car
	6:47pm Dean: Blurt
	6:47pm Earthwalker: Yo David What’s up Bro 12:44 French Time I’m being summoned by the wife I’m history Be well all ! Om Shanti
	6:47pm Fuzzy: Dark Sky was great until Apple bought it up and I couldn't use it on my Android phone anymore.
	6:48pm ultradamno: I saw SPK, not so early open for Chris & Cosey, their dancing girls tore it up.
	6:48pm Dean: Saw SPK early at Al's Bar. Opening act was ... Nervous Gender? Monitor?
	6:49pm Niall: What am I missing with the industrial/noise acts getting mentioned here, me too me too me too. I used to live not far from Long Island and I'd occasionally meet people who said that Paul Lemos/Controlled Bleeding was their teacher in the past.
	6:49pm Dean: Saw NON at Kelbo's. Whew.
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: Yay, Bandcamp! I have to serve dinner, but thanks, Mark -- and thanks, Shoshana! Very good stuff.
	6:51pm Ignatatus666: The more I share DuckDucks posts on FB the more FB puts restrictions on my account.
	6:51pm ultradamno: Manon Anne Gilles and her musical wheelchair vimeo.com...
	6:52pm Dmitry: the moment bandcamp allows users to make playlists ill get off spotify. Any idea why they havent done so yet?
	6:52pm David in London: Carcass. Man, can’t believe how quickly this hour flashed by.
	🤖 6:52pm Webhamster Henry: On one hand, Spotify is not the only place people can get digital music distributed, on the other hand, it is clearly the biggest fish. Outside of Youtube that is.
	6:53pm Niall: Bandcamp's such a friggin' frustration from a user experience, blarg. Not that it stops me spending a lot of money there.
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: There are Spotify equivalents of click farms.
	6:54pm ultradamno: Industrial/noise? I thought we were building a scuzz/sludge playlist
	6:55pm Ignatatus666: @Niall I totally agree!! It’s difficult to use 30 second songs covers many DRI songs
	6:55pm Niall: Ha, this sounds like stole that KLF book, got bored and just put down whatever. Sorry, ultradamno, I came the party late, I guess.
	🤖 6:55pm tim from champaign (now washington): @Webhamster - I was wondering about that. I'd imagine musicians who want to to "make it big" would try to juke the plays somehow.
	6:55pm David in London: Ultradamno, I assumed it was just generally anti social sounds that would irritate the eardrums.
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: ... with a 30 second track, you can pack more of them per hour!
	6:56pm ultradamno: Tomata, tomatuh
	6:56pm Dmitry: I'm only on spotify to get off of youtube to begin with. There needs to be an ethical alternative before users will leave. Im sure theres a large enough constituency for this, especially after the demonstrable (if minor) success of bandcamp fridays. Does anyone have an idea if anything further is possible on bandcamp in this direction ?
	6:56pm Niall: @Mark Hurst, have you heard the... "Guy Who Sings Songs About Cities and Towns?" I think that's what he calls himself. Thousands of songs on Spotify, just some catchy chords, very dubious vocals and lyrics apparently gleaned from Wikipedia. He's great.
	6:56pm spodiodi: thanks, Mark! thanks, Scott!
	6:56pm David in London: Thanks Mark. Later Technoids.
	6:56pm Niall: I mean he has songs about Newburgh.
	🤖 6:57pm tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks, Mark. An interesting and informative show as always!
	6:57pm Dmitry: Thanks all!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: @Niale that the passionate and objective Jokerfan , often heard on Ken's show. music.apple.com...
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Have a happy & safe Thanksgiving, for those of us in the US.
	6:58pm ultradamno: New Negativland, new Cabaret Voltaire...
	6:59pm ultradamno: Can we hope for a Maybe Mental or Psyclones comeback?
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: People Like Us is filling in for Trouble on Thursday, in station fill-in news.
	7:00pm spodiodi: PLU ftw
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: There was a brief quote by Shoshana Zuboff there
	7:01pm ultradamno: Nate filling in for efd too
	12:13am ARB: Do you have a suggestion for a weather app that doesn't track?
	2:49pm Db Dan: @Ignatatus666 In regards to Parler (to "peak" in French) I glanced at at their site. Their privacy policy was very long (not a good sign) and one sentence in it says "We process and store your information in the U.S. We do not sell your information to third parties or share your information with foreign governments except in the limited circumstances described in this Privacy Policy". Concerning bits are ..... They "store" the information ........ If you join, we may "verify your identity, such as a copy of your government-issued photo identification, and information that can be used to facilitate the redemption of virtual items or payments, such as your Social Security number (SSN) or your tax identification number." It's a tricky world, but I'll wait on social media via Parler. Thanks for the tip to check them out in any case. Go Technoids!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from November 23, 2020

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November 23, 2020: Gizmodo's Shoshana Wodinsky on Spotify

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Tonight: Gizmodo's Shoshana Wodinsky

Spotify is following the playbook of Facebook and Google to become the next Big Tech monopoly. What is Spotify doing with our data?

Links to Shoshana Wodinsky:

• About Shoshana Wodinsky, staff reporter at Gizmodo covering consumer privacy and tech policy

• On Twitter: @swodinsky

• Spotify's Latest Acquisition Is All About Your Data (by Wodinsky in Gizmodo, Nov 10, 2020): "The Megaphone acquisition clarifies how to think about Spotify overall: It's quickly becoming an advertising behemoth - less the Netflix of audio and much more akin to Facebook or Google for your ears."

• Spotify's Weird LinkedIn Playlists Sound Like a Cash Register (by Wodinsky in Gizmodo, March 5, 2020): "Spotify has slowly morphed its playlists into data-mining machines. . . . I'm giving the company not only my emotional state but also my entire schedule."

• Your Weather App Is Selling You Out (by Wodinsky in Gizmodo, Sep 14, 2020): "It's not just about tracking the weather, but tracking the way it's impacting our collective moods as a whole."

• Please Keep Mark Zuckerberg Away From My Bones (by Wodinsky in Gizmodo, Aug 18, 2020), which prompted me to write Facebook and your bones (Aug 20).

• More Gizmodo articles by Shoshana

Other pointers:

• A Tale Of Two Ecosystems: On Bandcamp, Spotify And The Wide-Open Future (Damon Krukowski on NPR, Aug 19, 2020): "Spotify's royalty rates are so low that to earn a living wage of $15 an hour, a musician needs 657,895 streams per month . . . The differences are so extreme, Bandcamp may not just be the anti-Spotify; it may be operating in an entirely different world."

...and from the November 2 show with Bill Deresiewicz, author of "The Death of the Artist":

• Spotify Celebrates 100th Dollar Given To Artists (The Onion, Sep 3, 2020): "Spotify CEO Daniel Ek, posing with a giant check for a $0.00000029 payout that propelled the world's musicians past a collective $100 in earnings. 'This is an absolute milestone for a musician-oriented platform like Spotify, and confirms what we believed when we started, which is that music-streaming platforms can be a reliable way to help bands and artists earn pennies or even nickels for their work. But this achievement is really about the artists on our platform. Spotify couldn't have done it without you.'"

• Spotify to offer artists and labels the option to promote their music in your recommendations (The Fader, Nov 2, 2020): "In exchange for a lowered 'promotional recording royalty rate.'"

• The Pocket Gods - 100mostXcellent30: an album of 100 30-second songs

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Artist	Track	Album	Approx. start time
Gizmodo's Shoshana Wodinsky discusses Spotify, and what it's doing with our data.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	Machinarium Soundtrack	0:00:27 (Pop-up)
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"		0:01:07 (Pop-up)
	Interview with Shoshana Wodinsky "Interview with Shoshana Wodinsky"		0:11:40 (Pop-up)
	Mark's comments after the interview "Mark's comments after the interview"		0:43:41 (Pop-up)
The Pocket Gods	We're All No Hit Wonders Now	100mostXcellent30	0:53:38 (Pop-up)
The Pocket Gods	YouTube Is Fleecing You	100mostXcellent30	0:54:05 (Pop-up)
The Pocket Gods	Nobody Makes Money Any More	100mostXcellent30	0:54:50 (Pop-up)
Negativland	More Data "More Data" by "Negativland"	The World Will Decide	0:57:05 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm David in London: Evening Technoids. Hi Mark.
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtermatologists!
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark and friends!
	6:04pm David in London: Ultradamno, high five. Webhamster, yo.
	6:04pm Fuzzy: Hola technoamigos! That Philip Michaels tweet is great!
	🤖 6:04pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Bigtechtonic lovers!
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: You have to mention this Spotify Onion article: www.theonion.com...
	6:05pm Ignatatus666: I wish we could share this program much easier I wish I could have it play on my FB homepage the way we were able to do on MySpace in the past.
	6:05pm ultradamno: Hiya DiL!
	6:06pm Ignatatus666: What’s up Tonic Teckies
	🤖 6:06pm tim from champaign (now washington): Looking forward to this show today. I'm on a anti-Spotify rampage!
	6:06pm spodiodi: hi Mark Hurst and everyone
	6:07pm spodiodi: i've never used it
	🤖 6:07pm Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyons! Sorry we're late. Had to feed the neighbors' cat. ultradamno, David, hello!
	6:07pm ultradamno: Hey Handy!
	6:07pm Dan Cashin: Everyone leave FB for the open-source option- I think it's out there but not off the ground ????
	6:07pm David in London: Hey a Spod.
	6:08pm David in London: The Wisdom of Solomon. And I should know... Hey Handy.
	6:09pm melinda: hi all!
	6:09pm ultradamno: He'd be the ZZ Top member that makes them too creeped out to finish playing Legs.
	6:11pm Ignatatus666: @Dan Many of my friends are weaning off FB and going to Parler and another site.
	6:11pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:12pm spodiodi: hi David, Handy, ultrad, Bas, Fuzzy, tim, Webhamster Henry, Melinda, Dan, 666, james!
	6:12pm ultradamno: Hi Spodi!
	6:12pm Mark Hurst: Hi, everyone! @Webham, good pick - that article is already on the playlist at left :)
	6:12pm ultradamno: Is Tidal still a thing?
	🤖 6:15pm tim from champaign (now washington): Yeah, that dude with the beard. If he showed up to a ZZ Top practice. They'd send him out to pick up barbecue in the next town which just happened to be 400 miles away.
	🤖 6:16pm Ken From Hyde Park: Good evening, Mark, Good evening, spodifi.
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: Hi Ken! And Tim, Spodi, ultra, James,Igna,Melinda, DiL,Dan, Handy,Bas,Webham!
	🤖 6:17pm Webhamster Henry: I'm a bandcamper - my son has about 24 albums on there too!
	6:20pm Ignatatus666: That’s great Henry I love how they have specials where all the money goes to the Artists.
	6:20pm spodiodi: hi KenFHP!
	🤖 6:20pm tim from champaign (now washington): Spotify has more than music?
	6:20pm ultradamno: I like chunky jazz for the commute
	🤖 6:23pm tim from champaign (now washington): In last week's show, one of the people the authors of the Silcon Valley book interviewed a Storyteller. What is a Story Teller?
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: Last time I had a job that paid me a salary, it was for a company that used Spotify playlists combined with live voiceover to make a kind of radio station. I wasn't too happy with their API, and also, of course, you had to have a premium account to be able to play things you wanted to hear.
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: @Tim I think it's a glorified title for what used to be called a PR manager, or perhaps a "marketing communications" person.
	6:25pm Dean: @tim from champaign (now washington): iirc, the person did PR for a SV company, i.e., s/he framed the company in terms of stories, narratives that promote the company's profile.
	6:26pm Dean: There you go^
	🤖 6:27pm tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks, Mark and Dean.
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: ... The good thing was I'd use my own band's music as some of music to play for testing purposes.
	6:31pm Dean: Way back in 2006, old fashioned English professor Richard Lanham published The Economics of Attention: Style and Substance in the Age of Information. He's been writing about this sort of thing for ages. Not super techie, but good background from the Humanities. https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/468828.html
	🤖 6:32pm tim from champaign (now washington): At the risk of sounding like a snob, it seems like spotify is a platform for people who don't really like music but want it on as a background.
	6:33pm David in London: Not ‘false data as a prelude to channel shift’ shocker! Vinyl is dead. Remember that everyone. Oh, hang on a minute...
	6:33pm Earthwalker: Dump Goggle Go DuckDuckGo !
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: @ultra good name for us
	6:33pm Mark Hurst: @Bas I also liked "Bigtechtonic lovers"
	6:34pm Mark Hurst: @Tim do a DuckDuckGo search for Kyle Chayka (recent Techtonic guest) writing last week about how Netflix seems to be creating intentionally mediocre shows that just serve, essentially, as video wallpaper
	6:35pm David in London: “It’s creepy and I don’t like it.” A catchphrase for the age. Can we have that on the Techtonic 2021 Marathon Premium t-shirt please Mark?
	6:36pm Mark Hurst: @DiL good idea. Just need a good graphic to go along with it.............!
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: Which, Mark, seems like an extension of the decades-long antilabor move of capital. If you can pay workers less, make a crappier product, but then also commodify the customers? You have won capitalism.
	6:36pm melinda: someone meowed
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: Not the first meow of the interview!
	🤖 6:36pm tim from champaign (now washington): Hmmm, I'd like to make of playlist on some of my favorites on Spotify: Flipper, The Germs, Drunks With Guns, Throbbing Gristle, etc to see who my profile gets sold to. Hopefully, a cash only sketchy liquor store.
	🤖 6:37pm tim from champaign (now washington): I'll check that out Mark.
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: @Handy I think that's fair... the question that keeps coming up on the show is "is it new"... which gets into semantics, whether this is actually a new form of capitalism or just a gradual evolution of what came before.
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: (past guests have argued both sides.)
	6:38pm Dean: I recall a graphic-free t-shirt, c.1990, that read simply: I saw! I know! You disgust me.
	6:38pm David in London: Tim. Drunks With Guns will always be a radio friendly unit shifter...
	6:38pm ultradamno: I think this is a more reasonable implant than Citrix's www.pinterest.com...
	6:38pm spodiodi: lol Dean. nice
	6:40pm ultradamno: Don't forget The Mentors and GG!
	6:40pm Dean: Happy Flowers
	6:41pm ultradamno: SOLGER!
	6:41pm David in London: A Flux of Pink Indians.
	🤖 6:42pm Handy Haversack: I hear you, Mark. And I think that one issue also is, well, phones. I mean, I don't use one, as you know, and I never see an ad. Not that I'm not sold as much as anyone else, but my internet experience is completely ad-free. I assume that is not possible when one is using FB or IG or Twitter apps on a phone? If 100 percent of people just blocked all ads -- and refused to traffic sites (like many newspapers) that demand that you turn off ad blockers, would we ... win?
	6:42pm ultradamno: Blight, Kilslug...I'm loving this playlist.
	6:42pm Earthwalker: Capitalism money in the hands of the few Drop Facebook Boycott amazon
	6:43pm David in London: Controlled Bleeding. Hey Earth Walker.
	6:43pm Niall: This is pretty intense; I think I didn't get to listen to it much back when I lived stateside, but it squares nicely with my politics and similar programs on Resonance FM in London.
	6:44pm Niall: Thanks for this show, @Mark Hurst.
	6:44pm spodiodi: thanks, Shoshana Wodinsky nice interview, Mark
	6:46pm ultradamno: I have found Dark Sky is unbeatable for telling you the weather just as it's happening, before...what are they, psychic?
	6:46pm Dean: NON (early) Unsustainable Social Condition SPK (early)
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: I can't wait until 23AndMe is mined for selling drugs to people with genetic charateristics that haven't manifested yet.
	🤖 6:46pm tim from champaign (now washington): Good interview. I liked hearing the agreement and disagreement between Shoshana and Mark.
	6:46pm ultradamno: UNS! NO! Mars!
	6:47pm ultradamno: Boy Dirt Car
	6:47pm Dean: Blurt
	6:47pm Earthwalker: Yo David What’s up Bro 12:44 French Time I’m being summoned by the wife I’m history Be well all ! Om Shanti
	6:47pm Fuzzy: Dark Sky was great until Apple bought it up and I couldn't use it on my Android phone anymore.
	6:48pm ultradamno: I saw SPK, not so early open for Chris & Cosey, their dancing girls tore it up.
	6:48pm Dean: Saw SPK early at Al's Bar. Opening act was ... Nervous Gender? Monitor?
	6:49pm Niall: What am I missing with the industrial/noise acts getting mentioned here, me too me too me too. I used to live not far from Long Island and I'd occasionally meet people who said that Paul Lemos/Controlled Bleeding was their teacher in the past.
	6:49pm Dean: Saw NON at Kelbo's. Whew.
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: Yay, Bandcamp! I have to serve dinner, but thanks, Mark -- and thanks, Shoshana! Very good stuff.
	6:51pm Ignatatus666: The more I share DuckDucks posts on FB the more FB puts restrictions on my account.
	6:51pm ultradamno: Manon Anne Gilles and her musical wheelchair vimeo.com...
	6:52pm Dmitry: the moment bandcamp allows users to make playlists ill get off spotify. Any idea why they havent done so yet?
	6:52pm David in London: Carcass. Man, can’t believe how quickly this hour flashed by.
	🤖 6:52pm Webhamster Henry: On one hand, Spotify is not the only place people can get digital music distributed, on the other hand, it is clearly the biggest fish. Outside of Youtube that is.
	6:53pm Niall: Bandcamp's such a friggin' frustration from a user experience, blarg. Not that it stops me spending a lot of money there.
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: There are Spotify equivalents of click farms.
	6:54pm ultradamno: Industrial/noise? I thought we were building a scuzz/sludge playlist
	6:55pm Ignatatus666: @Niall I totally agree!! It’s difficult to use 30 second songs covers many DRI songs
	6:55pm Niall: Ha, this sounds like stole that KLF book, got bored and just put down whatever. Sorry, ultradamno, I came the party late, I guess.
	🤖 6:55pm tim from champaign (now washington): @Webhamster - I was wondering about that. I'd imagine musicians who want to to "make it big" would try to juke the plays somehow.
	6:55pm David in London: Ultradamno, I assumed it was just generally anti social sounds that would irritate the eardrums.
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: ... with a 30 second track, you can pack more of them per hour!
	6:56pm ultradamno: Tomata, tomatuh
	6:56pm Dmitry: I'm only on spotify to get off of youtube to begin with. There needs to be an ethical alternative before users will leave. Im sure theres a large enough constituency for this, especially after the demonstrable (if minor) success of bandcamp fridays. Does anyone have an idea if anything further is possible on bandcamp in this direction ?
	6:56pm Niall: @Mark Hurst, have you heard the... "Guy Who Sings Songs About Cities and Towns?" I think that's what he calls himself. Thousands of songs on Spotify, just some catchy chords, very dubious vocals and lyrics apparently gleaned from Wikipedia. He's great.
	6:56pm spodiodi: thanks, Mark! thanks, Scott!
	6:56pm David in London: Thanks Mark. Later Technoids.
	6:56pm Niall: I mean he has songs about Newburgh.
	🤖 6:57pm tim from champaign (now washington): Thanks, Mark. An interesting and informative show as always!
	6:57pm Dmitry: Thanks all!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: @Niale that the passionate and objective Jokerfan , often heard on Ken's show. music.apple.com...
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Have a happy & safe Thanksgiving, for those of us in the US.
	6:58pm ultradamno: New Negativland, new Cabaret Voltaire...
	6:59pm ultradamno: Can we hope for a Maybe Mental or Psyclones comeback?
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: People Like Us is filling in for Trouble on Thursday, in station fill-in news.
	7:00pm spodiodi: PLU ftw
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: There was a brief quote by Shoshana Zuboff there
	7:01pm ultradamno: Nate filling in for efd too
	12:13am ARB: Do you have a suggestion for a weather app that doesn't track?
	2:49pm Db Dan: @Ignatatus666 In regards to Parler (to "peak" in French) I glanced at at their site. Their privacy policy was very long (not a good sign) and one sentence in it says "We process and store your information in the U.S. We do not sell your information to third parties or share your information with foreign governments except in the limited circumstances described in this Privacy Policy". Concerning bits are ..... They "store" the information ........ If you join, we may "verify your identity, such as a copy of your government-issued photo identification, and information that can be used to facilitate the redemption of virtual items or payments, such as your Social Security number (SSN) or your tax identification number." It's a tricky world, but I'll wait on social media via Parler. Thanks for the tip to check them out in any case. Go Technoids!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from November 23, 2020

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