WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from July 18, 2022

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtopuli!
	🤖 6:01pm Will a Sound Guy: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:01pm Robm: Hello fellow techies
	6:02pm Rolando: Yay 😀
	6:02pm ultradamno: You scheduled an abortion. Planned Parenthood’s website could tell Facebook. www.washingtonpost.com...
	6:03pm TDK60: Hello Mark; been a little while.
	6:04pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Techtonet > Internet
	🤖 6:04pm Will a Sound Guy: Damn ultradamno, that's totally wack
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark! What fresh hell is this?
	🤖 6:06pm PaulRobeson1922: Hello
	6:07pm ultradamno: @Will the author appeared on Velshi talking about the vulnerabilities of looking for abortion services in some states. Would make a suitable guest on here, if possible twitter.com...
	🤖 6:08pm Handy Haversack: Hello, Mark and all the Techyon Drives! Glad to hear you again, Mark!
	6:08pm morphe': Studd's Terkell Chicago and the world.. Go Marrkkkk!!
	6:08pm Picante Mint: Hello, first time listener here.
	6:08pm arb: Hi Mark, looking forward to this!
	6:08pm lazy p: tarnoff, tune in, drop out
	6:08pm Feldy: My dad was in the Keys last weekend, too. Curious what you saw
	6:08pm TDK60: Mark, this'll be interesting. I'm reading The Ministry For the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson (sci-fi @ climate near future). A new sort of internet is created as non-commercial public utility.
	6:09pm ultradamno: ...vulnerabilities of looking *online, that is
	🤖 6:09pm Handy Haversack: Oh, nice, Picante Mist -- welcome to the much-needed truth!
	🤖 6:10pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi people!
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining in this evening! @ultra @Will @Robm @Rolando @TDK60 @DiL @KfHP @webham @PaulR @Handy @morphe' @Picante @arb @lazy @Feldy !!
	🤖 6:10pm Will a Sound Guy: the truth is a spicy mint
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: @Picante Mint welcome to your first TT chat!
	6:11pm Sam: I envy people with no internet access. It sounds like heaven.
	🤖 6:12pm Handy Haversack: Over the past couple of weeks, I have told two different people that I don't use a mobile phone and got both jealousy and admiration from them both.
	6:12pm Picante Mint: Thank you. I'm scared to learn the truth but here I am. :)
	🤖 6:15pm DjLorraine: Hi
	6:16pm ultradamno: Has anyone seen HBO's The Anarchists? Why are all these garden variety libertarians calling themselves that? (privatization talk got thinking about it)
	6:16pm kevlicki: Hello radio friends!
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: @Sam @DjL @kevlicki welcome!
	6:18pm Robm: @Ultradamno looks interesting might give it a watch
	6:18pm yippie: does discogs count as social media?
	🤖 6:19pm Will a Sound Guy: truth right there... overpriced and slow
	🤖 6:20pm Handy Haversack: That's the one about the crypto libertarians in Mexico(?), ultradamno. No, I decided it was too depressing to contemplate. But also: for reals!
	6:21pm ultradamno: Yep, that's the one
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: It was the same during the electrification era: it took FDR's New Deal's Rural Electrification Administration to to get that electricity to underserved, "unprofitable" sectors of the economy.
	6:22pm ultradamno: If you do, you might need a chart to keep the variants of John Galt based pseudonyms straight.
	6:22pm Sam: Such a no-brained for communities to offer cheap public internet without the corporate yacht payments. They should do the same for cable and Netflix and everything else people overpay for individually.
	6:23pm Sam: No brainer
	🤖 6:24pm Webhamster Henry: Here's Kingston's mesh network effort - kind of slowed down during COVID: kingstoncommunity.net
	🤖 6:26pm Handy Haversack: But remember: they are definitely not publishers! No way!
	6:27pm ultradamno: So it IS a series of tubes!
	🤖 6:28pm Handy Haversack: Sam, at this point it seems more likely that community govts. will just sell their citizens out to Google or Facebook completely in order to be a "smart" city.
	6:29pm Sam: Oh Zucky Boy….. The pipes, the pipes, are callin’!
	6:32pm ultradamno: Amazon is like a mall that is designed to keep you turned around back to the biggest shop...so, a mall.
	6:34pm GC in Oakland: Online mall….reminds me of my own and others’ observation: Reality nowadays is a lot like the airport—almost zero non-privatized space, lots of surveillance and total corporatization, underpaid workers, etc
	6:34pm Old Dave: There's some truth. Facebook is so ubiquitous in Maritime Canada that most businesses, churches and local governments don't bother to have a website. It is frustrating to a non-user like myself. You can only learn about local events, news and emergency updates through FaceBook.
	6:35pm William Swan, Jr.: Online mall ninja!
	6:35pm Ciggy: Ben Tarnoff sounds like the soft-spoken Attorney, Chuck Rosenberg.
	🤖 6:36pm DjLorraine: Ciggy i was going to say that!
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: The auto-response from Schumer's office when you write about bringing those tech regulations forward was a real hoot. He promises to monitor the situation closely.
	6:36pm MyAcademy: Anyone catch the name of that group of technologists pushing for positive legislation?
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: @MyAcademy you mean Lina Khan and the neo-Brandeisians?
	🤖 6:37pm MarciB: Another fascinating show and another book to read! Interested to hear Mark's take on the Keys. We were there once - it was lovely - and no internet service! But this was c. 2006 or 2007. Pre-smartphone!
	6:38pm ultradamno: Imagining Schumer staring blankly into space "I'm monitoring here!"
	6:39pm MyAcademy: @Mark Hurst, yup! I didn't quite catch neo-Brandeisians, thank you!
	🤖 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park: If mosquitoes were blood -fueled hotspots, Florida would have pretty good internet coverage.
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: I feel like someone is terribly, chillingly working on that, Ken.
	6:41pm Mark Hurst: I read about a test of GMO mosquitoes in the Florida Keys. I believe Bill Gates is involved.
	🤖 6:42pm Handy Haversack: Probably Clippy too.
	6:42pm Old Dave: FaceBook is unpopular with my kids. It will die when people my age are gone, or sooner. But then TicTok will do worse things to them.
	🤖 6:42pm MarciB: I have no faith in our congress to make the necessary changes.
	6:43pm ultradamno: Question Mark, I see what he did there
	6:43pm Mark Hurst: @ultra heh
	6:44pm Mark Hurst: @Old Dave true, unfortunately
	6:44pm iiibeat: Democracy can be much more frequent and direct . . BECAUSE of the internet. Let ME vote on issues WITHOUT BEING ELECTED! The current functional form of democracy via electorate systems is behind availability.
	6:44pm kevlicki: Webhamster Henry- that Kingston Community Internet looks like another Novo/Peter Buffet funded project. I really want there to be strategic thinking of how the “community” can create longevity for all these activities funded by the local billionaire. Philanthropy breeds co-dependence
	6:44pm Franco Twinkie: Am I wrong to think that this all beyond reform, abolition, reform? For all of us, there is gazillion people who love all of this just the way it is, and would defend it with their lives - most importantly every motherfucking legislator in this country? Now, what about Florida?
	6:45pm ultradamno: The Onion on Tik Tok memes (to watch later) www.theonion.com...
	6:46pm ultradamno: Err, 'challenges' more than memes, I guess
	🤖 6:47pm chresti: Hi Mark! It's free advertising for politicians-FB and all
	6:48pm Robm: I have no faith in our government at all, and no matter who is president its SSDD
	🤖 6:49pm Handy Haversack: Really good interview, Mark. Thanks for that -- and to Ben Tarnoff, too.
	🤖 6:49pm chresti: *that's a reason they might be reluctant about pulling the plug
	6:49pm Sam: And cats everywhere!!
	🤖 6:49pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Ben!
	6:50pm melinda: rotting kelp beach sounds like Maine
	6:53pm kevlicki: This is a tech show…anyone have a good rec for a SSD hard drive? Portability not necessary
	6:53pm Franco Twinkie: I would gladly scrap all the self serving nonsense I engaging in on the internet for true reform, but that's drug induced fantasy. I don't get to decide, and neither do you.
	6:53pm PaulRobeson1922: @Robm: let’s not worry Robm. Show us something new
	🤖 6:54pm Will a Sound Guy: kevlicki, I use samsung SSDs...
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: @kevlicki yep there are NoVo fingerprints all over that. It's a weird situation - a person with vast amounts of money, lots more than years of city and county budgets - funding stuff that always gets sidestepped by municipalities because of entrenched models and attitudes and people (aka old boys), and the general failure of politics to come up with these solutions. Many of his projects do have a goal of sustainability - but like a lot of things, there are tremendous starting up hurdles that keep projects like this from ever even being considered using the existing institutions. So it's risky and capricious - there have been situations where NoVo has pulled funding without any apparent reason - but then again what better use for billionaire's money? Building yachts too big to get out of the harbor? Vanity trips to space? I think of this more like Carneigie's building libraries all over the US.
	🤖 6:54pm MarciB: I'd love to do more about no plastic on beaches - but why are WE the consumers being helped responsible rather than the utterly selfish companies that produce them?
	6:54pm Rolando: Thankful for our clean Australian beaches.
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: Those "ocean plastic cleaners - like recycling - is a licencse to dump more plastic in the ocean.
	🤖 6:55pm MarciB: I meant "held" not "helped"
	6:55pm Jeff formerly from Rahway: Mark, the amount of discarded plastic water bottles I collect every day on my neighborhood dog walk is staggering.
	🤖 6:55pm Ken From Hyde Park: Suggested outro: "Bad Bad Men" from GWAR's This Toilet Earth album. Thanks, Mark.
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1922: @MarciB: yes- check out Cradle to Cradle: Remaking the way we make things!
	6:55pm Franco Twinkie: The world has become a plastic beach. That's ONE reason I don't go to the beach anymore.
	🤖 6:56pm herb.nyc: Am half listening. (Bec w mom) we mighta had a waterside cleanup on lower east side, last Saturday. Meanwhile corporations are pissing on us. Glug.
	6:56pm TDK60: Thanks, Mark, Ben.
	🤖 6:56pm MarciB: @PaulRobeson1922-thank you!
	6:56pm Rich in Washington: Makes me think of Dead Kennedys' Moon Over Marin
	6:56pm melinda: thanks Mark
	6:56pm Dean from Old Bridge: Mark always knows how to cheer me up. Seriously though, another great and informative show
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark & Ben!
	🤖 6:56pm Will a Sound Guy: Thank you Mark!!!! be well everyone!!!
	🤖 6:56pm MarciB: @Rich in Washington-yes!and thank you @Mark Hurst!
	6:57pm Old Dave: Island people are interesting. I just love them. Whether in the Philippines or Prince Edward Canada or Florida (I have a sister in the panhandle patrolling sea turtles in her retirement.) They do the best they can despite us tourists.
	🤖 6:57pm Will a Sound Guy: Thank you Ben!!!
	6:57pm Sam: Thank you Mark, keep on truckin’!
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1922: Thank youuuuu <3 thank you Mark & Ben & WFMu
	6:58pm kevlicki: Check out the interview on Doug henwoods show https://overcast.fm/+nQuVaKQH4 I think it’s Tariq Fancy’s discussion on Black Rock and the “logic” of the economy, tax what you don’t want to see in the world…
	🤖 6:58pm Handy Haversack: And that ethos of growth at any cost: that's capitalism. You cannot save it. It has to be destroyed if there's any chance of salvaging what passes for civilization. Many thanks, Mark!
	6:58pm kevlicki: Thanks for this show mark!
	6:58pm Rich in Washington: Thanks, Mark!
	6:58pm Bea: Great show, Mark! Thanks!
	6:58pm Old Dave: Enjoyed as always, thanks
	6:59pm hoeg: thanks Mark as always! very excited to hear more about mastodon and mesh networks, they're both on my to-do list already...
	7:02pm morphe': thans M anad allm
	7:02pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:02pm Dean from Old Bridge: a Celtic banger

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from July 18, 2022

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July 18, 2022: Ben Tarnoff, author, "Internet for the People"

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtopuli!
	🤖 6:01pm Will a Sound Guy: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:01pm Robm: Hello fellow techies
	6:02pm Rolando: Yay 😀
	6:02pm ultradamno: You scheduled an abortion. Planned Parenthood’s website could tell Facebook. www.washingtonpost.com...
	6:03pm TDK60: Hello Mark; been a little while.
	6:04pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Techtonet > Internet
	🤖 6:04pm Will a Sound Guy: Damn ultradamno, that's totally wack
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark! What fresh hell is this?
	🤖 6:06pm PaulRobeson1922: Hello
	6:07pm ultradamno: @Will the author appeared on Velshi talking about the vulnerabilities of looking for abortion services in some states. Would make a suitable guest on here, if possible twitter.com...
	🤖 6:08pm Handy Haversack: Hello, Mark and all the Techyon Drives! Glad to hear you again, Mark!
	6:08pm morphe': Studd's Terkell Chicago and the world.. Go Marrkkkk!!
	6:08pm Picante Mint: Hello, first time listener here.
	6:08pm arb: Hi Mark, looking forward to this!
	6:08pm lazy p: tarnoff, tune in, drop out
	6:08pm Feldy: My dad was in the Keys last weekend, too. Curious what you saw
	6:08pm TDK60: Mark, this'll be interesting. I'm reading The Ministry For the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson (sci-fi @ climate near future). A new sort of internet is created as non-commercial public utility.
	6:09pm ultradamno: ...vulnerabilities of looking *online, that is
	🤖 6:09pm Handy Haversack: Oh, nice, Picante Mist -- welcome to the much-needed truth!
	🤖 6:10pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi people!
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining in this evening! @ultra @Will @Robm @Rolando @TDK60 @DiL @KfHP @webham @PaulR @Handy @morphe' @Picante @arb @lazy @Feldy !!
	🤖 6:10pm Will a Sound Guy: the truth is a spicy mint
	6:10pm Mark Hurst: @Picante Mint welcome to your first TT chat!
	6:11pm Sam: I envy people with no internet access. It sounds like heaven.
	🤖 6:12pm Handy Haversack: Over the past couple of weeks, I have told two different people that I don't use a mobile phone and got both jealousy and admiration from them both.
	6:12pm Picante Mint: Thank you. I'm scared to learn the truth but here I am. :)
	🤖 6:15pm DjLorraine: Hi
	6:16pm ultradamno: Has anyone seen HBO's The Anarchists? Why are all these garden variety libertarians calling themselves that? (privatization talk got thinking about it)
	6:16pm kevlicki: Hello radio friends!
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: @Sam @DjL @kevlicki welcome!
	6:18pm Robm: @Ultradamno looks interesting might give it a watch
	6:18pm yippie: does discogs count as social media?
	🤖 6:19pm Will a Sound Guy: truth right there... overpriced and slow
	🤖 6:20pm Handy Haversack: That's the one about the crypto libertarians in Mexico(?), ultradamno. No, I decided it was too depressing to contemplate. But also: for reals!
	6:21pm ultradamno: Yep, that's the one
	🤖 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: It was the same during the electrification era: it took FDR's New Deal's Rural Electrification Administration to to get that electricity to underserved, "unprofitable" sectors of the economy.
	6:22pm ultradamno: If you do, you might need a chart to keep the variants of John Galt based pseudonyms straight.
	6:22pm Sam: Such a no-brained for communities to offer cheap public internet without the corporate yacht payments. They should do the same for cable and Netflix and everything else people overpay for individually.
	6:23pm Sam: No brainer
	🤖 6:24pm Webhamster Henry: Here's Kingston's mesh network effort - kind of slowed down during COVID: kingstoncommunity.net
	🤖 6:26pm Handy Haversack: But remember: they are definitely not publishers! No way!
	6:27pm ultradamno: So it IS a series of tubes!
	🤖 6:28pm Handy Haversack: Sam, at this point it seems more likely that community govts. will just sell their citizens out to Google or Facebook completely in order to be a "smart" city.
	6:29pm Sam: Oh Zucky Boy….. The pipes, the pipes, are callin’!
	6:32pm ultradamno: Amazon is like a mall that is designed to keep you turned around back to the biggest shop...so, a mall.
	6:34pm GC in Oakland: Online mall….reminds me of my own and others’ observation: Reality nowadays is a lot like the airport—almost zero non-privatized space, lots of surveillance and total corporatization, underpaid workers, etc
	6:34pm Old Dave: There's some truth. Facebook is so ubiquitous in Maritime Canada that most businesses, churches and local governments don't bother to have a website. It is frustrating to a non-user like myself. You can only learn about local events, news and emergency updates through FaceBook.
	6:35pm William Swan, Jr.: Online mall ninja!
	6:35pm Ciggy: Ben Tarnoff sounds like the soft-spoken Attorney, Chuck Rosenberg.
	🤖 6:36pm DjLorraine: Ciggy i was going to say that!
	🤖 6:36pm Handy Haversack: The auto-response from Schumer's office when you write about bringing those tech regulations forward was a real hoot. He promises to monitor the situation closely.
	6:36pm MyAcademy: Anyone catch the name of that group of technologists pushing for positive legislation?
	6:37pm Mark Hurst: @MyAcademy you mean Lina Khan and the neo-Brandeisians?
	🤖 6:37pm MarciB: Another fascinating show and another book to read! Interested to hear Mark's take on the Keys. We were there once - it was lovely - and no internet service! But this was c. 2006 or 2007. Pre-smartphone!
	6:38pm ultradamno: Imagining Schumer staring blankly into space "I'm monitoring here!"
	6:39pm MyAcademy: @Mark Hurst, yup! I didn't quite catch neo-Brandeisians, thank you!
	🤖 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park: If mosquitoes were blood -fueled hotspots, Florida would have pretty good internet coverage.
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: I feel like someone is terribly, chillingly working on that, Ken.
	6:41pm Mark Hurst: I read about a test of GMO mosquitoes in the Florida Keys. I believe Bill Gates is involved.
	🤖 6:42pm Handy Haversack: Probably Clippy too.
	6:42pm Old Dave: FaceBook is unpopular with my kids. It will die when people my age are gone, or sooner. But then TicTok will do worse things to them.
	🤖 6:42pm MarciB: I have no faith in our congress to make the necessary changes.
	6:43pm ultradamno: Question Mark, I see what he did there
	6:43pm Mark Hurst: @ultra heh
	6:44pm Mark Hurst: @Old Dave true, unfortunately
	6:44pm iiibeat: Democracy can be much more frequent and direct . . BECAUSE of the internet. Let ME vote on issues WITHOUT BEING ELECTED! The current functional form of democracy via electorate systems is behind availability.
	6:44pm kevlicki: Webhamster Henry- that Kingston Community Internet looks like another Novo/Peter Buffet funded project. I really want there to be strategic thinking of how the “community” can create longevity for all these activities funded by the local billionaire. Philanthropy breeds co-dependence
	6:44pm Franco Twinkie: Am I wrong to think that this all beyond reform, abolition, reform? For all of us, there is gazillion people who love all of this just the way it is, and would defend it with their lives - most importantly every motherfucking legislator in this country? Now, what about Florida?
	6:45pm ultradamno: The Onion on Tik Tok memes (to watch later) www.theonion.com...
	6:46pm ultradamno: Err, 'challenges' more than memes, I guess
	🤖 6:47pm chresti: Hi Mark! It's free advertising for politicians-FB and all
	6:48pm Robm: I have no faith in our government at all, and no matter who is president its SSDD
	🤖 6:49pm Handy Haversack: Really good interview, Mark. Thanks for that -- and to Ben Tarnoff, too.
	🤖 6:49pm chresti: *that's a reason they might be reluctant about pulling the plug
	6:49pm Sam: And cats everywhere!!
	🤖 6:49pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Ben!
	6:50pm melinda: rotting kelp beach sounds like Maine
	6:53pm kevlicki: This is a tech show…anyone have a good rec for a SSD hard drive? Portability not necessary
	6:53pm Franco Twinkie: I would gladly scrap all the self serving nonsense I engaging in on the internet for true reform, but that's drug induced fantasy. I don't get to decide, and neither do you.
	6:53pm PaulRobeson1922: @Robm: let’s not worry Robm. Show us something new
	🤖 6:54pm Will a Sound Guy: kevlicki, I use samsung SSDs...
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: @kevlicki yep there are NoVo fingerprints all over that. It's a weird situation - a person with vast amounts of money, lots more than years of city and county budgets - funding stuff that always gets sidestepped by municipalities because of entrenched models and attitudes and people (aka old boys), and the general failure of politics to come up with these solutions. Many of his projects do have a goal of sustainability - but like a lot of things, there are tremendous starting up hurdles that keep projects like this from ever even being considered using the existing institutions. So it's risky and capricious - there have been situations where NoVo has pulled funding without any apparent reason - but then again what better use for billionaire's money? Building yachts too big to get out of the harbor? Vanity trips to space? I think of this more like Carneigie's building libraries all over the US.
	🤖 6:54pm MarciB: I'd love to do more about no plastic on beaches - but why are WE the consumers being helped responsible rather than the utterly selfish companies that produce them?
	6:54pm Rolando: Thankful for our clean Australian beaches.
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: Those "ocean plastic cleaners - like recycling - is a licencse to dump more plastic in the ocean.
	🤖 6:55pm MarciB: I meant "held" not "helped"
	6:55pm Jeff formerly from Rahway: Mark, the amount of discarded plastic water bottles I collect every day on my neighborhood dog walk is staggering.
	🤖 6:55pm Ken From Hyde Park: Suggested outro: "Bad Bad Men" from GWAR's This Toilet Earth album. Thanks, Mark.
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1922: @MarciB: yes- check out Cradle to Cradle: Remaking the way we make things!
	6:55pm Franco Twinkie: The world has become a plastic beach. That's ONE reason I don't go to the beach anymore.
	🤖 6:56pm herb.nyc: Am half listening. (Bec w mom) we mighta had a waterside cleanup on lower east side, last Saturday. Meanwhile corporations are pissing on us. Glug.
	6:56pm TDK60: Thanks, Mark, Ben.
	🤖 6:56pm MarciB: @PaulRobeson1922-thank you!
	6:56pm Rich in Washington: Makes me think of Dead Kennedys' Moon Over Marin
	6:56pm melinda: thanks Mark
	6:56pm Dean from Old Bridge: Mark always knows how to cheer me up. Seriously though, another great and informative show
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark & Ben!
	🤖 6:56pm Will a Sound Guy: Thank you Mark!!!! be well everyone!!!
	🤖 6:56pm MarciB: @Rich in Washington-yes!and thank you @Mark Hurst!
	6:57pm Old Dave: Island people are interesting. I just love them. Whether in the Philippines or Prince Edward Canada or Florida (I have a sister in the panhandle patrolling sea turtles in her retirement.) They do the best they can despite us tourists.
	🤖 6:57pm Will a Sound Guy: Thank you Ben!!!
	6:57pm Sam: Thank you Mark, keep on truckin’!
	🤖 6:57pm PaulRobeson1922: Thank youuuuu <3 thank you Mark & Ben & WFMu
	6:58pm kevlicki: Check out the interview on Doug henwoods show https://overcast.fm/+nQuVaKQH4 I think it’s Tariq Fancy’s discussion on Black Rock and the “logic” of the economy, tax what you don’t want to see in the world…
	🤖 6:58pm Handy Haversack: And that ethos of growth at any cost: that's capitalism. You cannot save it. It has to be destroyed if there's any chance of salvaging what passes for civilization. Many thanks, Mark!
	6:58pm kevlicki: Thanks for this show mark!
	6:58pm Rich in Washington: Thanks, Mark!
	6:58pm Bea: Great show, Mark! Thanks!
	6:58pm Old Dave: Enjoyed as always, thanks
	6:59pm hoeg: thanks Mark as always! very excited to hear more about mastodon and mesh networks, they're both on my to-do list already...
	7:02pm morphe': thans M anad allm
	7:02pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
	7:02pm Dean from Old Bridge: a Celtic banger

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